BRC engine data plate

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BRC engine data plate

Post by George Hollins » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:54 am

Does anyone have any of these BRC engine data plates for sale?
Does anyone know who made these plates?
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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by soccergorilla » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:11 pm

George.......I have one of these "somewhere". How soon do you need it? Sean.

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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by George Hollins » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:32 pm

One plate would help. However, I would like to find out who made these plates and if another batch can be made.
Does anyone know who made these plates?
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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by Jim Gilmore » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:26 am

George,

I have a few of them somewhere as well....

If I remember correctly it was Ray Cowdery who made these many years ago.

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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by Jim Gilmore » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:37 am

George,

Before you go making these ..........I should have mentioned that this data plate is not correct for a BRC 40 motor.

It is a "generic" plate and is not even a close match to the original.......see attached photo.
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Better then nothing but not correct.

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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by lariat » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:44 am

Hi Jim
The repo plates are the same as Bantam plates except they were screen printed not etched. Your photo is not correct for Bantam. The original plate made by continental for the Bantam engines say American Bantam Special. I have some original Bantam plates but don't know how to post them to this site.
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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by George Hollins » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:08 pm

Here are photos of original BRC engine plates. I have asked Robert at dataplates4u to consider making reproductions.

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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by lariat » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:03 pm

Hi George
Yes those are the correct plates that are originals. Thanks for posting them.
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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by Jim Gilmore » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:24 am

Humm...interesting...and I stand corrected......

The photo I posted was from a BRC 40 that was restored 30+ years ago and was supposed to be original.

Is it a rebuild plate or replacement motor?

What is the highest motor number for a Bantam jeep?

Are ALL BRC motor # plates the same as these early ones posted?

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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by lariat » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:56 am

Hi Jim
Does the motor have round press in freeze plugs or does it have square screw in plugs like what the rear end uses for to fill and check the oil in it. If it has the round freeze plugs it not a bantam engine. From your picture the plug under data plate looks round. Look at photo George posted and see square plug under data plate. Yous is probably just a standard y112.
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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by Jim Gilmore » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:25 am

Here is a better photo of it.

It does have the round plugs.

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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by George Hollins » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:27 pm

Jim Gilmore questions from 03Sep2017:
The photo I posted was from a BRC 40 that was restored 30+ years ago and was supposed to be original. Is it a rebuild plate or replacement motor?

The engine in your photo, based on the data plate, is a Continental model Y4091 (91 cu in), s/n 8166 that was used in industrial and agricultural applications such as Massey Ferguson farm tractors and Oliver combines. Therefore, it must have been a replacement engine in this BRC. The BRC engine was a Continental model Y112 (112 cu in) modified with special options and private labeled as a Bantam Special BY4112. The original BRC engine is so rare that many BRC owners have no choice but to use 1940’s industrial continental engines. The Continental Y69, Y91, and Y112 can fit the BRC. It is preferable to find a 1940’s vintage Y112 and convert into a Bantam Special BY4112.



What is the highest motor number for a Bantam jeep?

2800 estimated highest BRC engine serial number.
BRC vehicles started at s/n 1001. BRC engines started at s/n 101. The highest BRC vehicle s/n was 3650 (approx. 2,650 vehicles). Therefore, the highest engine s/n would have been 2650 + 100 = 2750 estimated. We don’t know how many additional engines Bantam supplied to the Army for service. If Bantam supplied 50 service engines, the highest engine serial number could have been 2750 + 50 = 2800 estimated.



Are ALL BRC motor # plates the same as these early ones posted?

1941: There have only been a few of the 1941 BRC engines to have survived with the original Bantam Special engine plate. This is all we have to conclude that all the 1941 engines had this plate.
1940: BRC1007 in the Heinz museum in Pittsburgh is the only survivor of the 70 built in 1940. I don’t know what data plate is on that engine. Maybe someone has a photo that can be posted.

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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by lariat » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:08 pm

So your saying the plus 50 is just a guess
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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by George Hollins » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:24 am

I estimated 50 engines for service as an example to show that the highest engine number could be higher than the number of vehicles built. I don’t know how many engines Bantam sold to the Army for service. If someone has copies of Bantam contracts for BRC service parts and engines with actual numbers please post.
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Re: BRC engine data plate

Post by lariat » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:49 am

George
I figured it could be higher. Out of the 107 BRC you have documented less than a dozen have BRC engine data plates on them. So it is easy to say the Bantam BRC went though the engines. Also there does not seem to be any proof that the engine number was assigned to the serial number. So I would have to say there is no way tell what engine number could be found with any body number.
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