Humm...
I thought everybody knew that Willys delivered two of those grossly over weight Pilot models to the QMC in 1940.
One was 2 ws and the other was 4 ws.
Also..there really was no "rebuilding" of a Quad...just some changes to the windshield.......
...all that jazz about "cutting down the bolts and only one coat of paint" is just so much Foo-Foo......
Rory wrote:
"..Is this the same Jeep ? Looks like one has a MB style inner windshield ? .."
Ohhh...go right into the bathroom and wash your mouth out with soap!
You mean....a Ford GP style, Clarence Kramer designed and patented, windshield.....used by Willys only by the grace and goodness of FMC and Kramer !!!
Bruce wrote:
"...David, I am sure you know that GP serial numbers STARTED at 8550.......Dr Gilmore will have to explain this one........ when he posted that number, I remained quiet until now........I am almost positive Lyndsey Clark's production GP number one or two is 8551..............my 8681 is number 131 off the assembly line......no one in thirty years has ever explained how they started the serial numbers at 8550...........strange number, huh???????? Jim will answer again that this is MOTOR number, not serial number, but what would be the SERIAL number to match this motor? BEFORE GP number one??????? .."
Humm.......oh...wait....I'll bet you were writing this in the office and the Nitros Oxide bottle was leaking........and you were a bit dizzy....
As you have been corrected as to the first MOTOR number .....8501...let me add a few things here.
While 8501 was the first motor assembled it was not the first GP.
A GP production pilot was built first..and tested (no motor number on the block). Then production started. Linsay's GP 8501 jeep has a much later DOD date than other GP's with higher numbers.
This is because motors were made first... then sent to #4 Building for assembly into chassis.
Motor number 8501...being the first... was most likely tested for many hours and days. Then this motor was scrapped and the number used on a new motor.
Remember...all Ford vehicle VIN numbers matched the motor that was dropped into the chassis.
# 8501 was selected for the starting motor because this is where the tractor motor numbers were at in the serial number progression. A block of motor numbers was selected and set aside for GP motors. This is why 9N tractor motors go from # 8500 right to #10001 in one days production. ( this must confuse the tractor guys)
In order to say "this GP is earlier/later than that GP" can only be determined by THE DOD...and not the vehicle (motor) number!
David wrote:
"....I have 2WS GP number 15246 so I know the sequence of 4WS numbers can't go past 15245. .."
No so....remember...GP vehicles were NOT made in numerical order!
They were produced in the order of the motor number that was dropped into the frame. No attempt to get them in ANY order was made...it was..just grab the next motor and drop it in.
The last 4WS GP's were in the 166xx range.......
David...what is the earlyist DOD on your list?
Brian Wolf or Jim Grahm's GP?
Jim Gilmore
Jim Thorpe, PA.