Bumper wood filler colour

Nov. 18, 1941 - MB100001 thru Mar. 6, 1942 - MB125809 NO EBAY or COMMERCIAL SALES.
cogenhoe
G-Corporal
G-Corporal
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:51 am
Location:

Bumper wood filler colour

Post by cogenhoe » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:53 am

Hi, Newbie question

Is the wood painted o/d or left natural colour, I assume it was painted but wanted to make sure

Thanks

Jerry


Joe Gopan
Jeep Heaven
Posts: 49841
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Joe Gopan » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:02 am

I installed a NOS out of Willys packaging, it was bare wood.
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

Mark Jesic
G-Brigadier General
G-Brigadier General
Posts: 2473
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:56 am
Location: Birmingham, England

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Mark Jesic » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:51 pm

Hi Cogenhoe, welcome to the site, my bumper wood is OD, but on my other jeep it was varnished. Also i have seen jeeps with plain untreated wood, so i think its a matter of preferance. :D

User avatar
nick peters
G-Brigadier General
G-Brigadier General
Posts: 2397
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:55 am
Location: Leicestershire England

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by nick peters » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:16 pm

Jerry
As I understand it the Us military directive was to leave all timber left unpainted. Be it for spade ,axe, tent poles cot frames ect ect. The reason being they believed cracks?splits would have been noticed easier. NOW in practice who can say for sure. Thousands of wartime pictures will show you either painted or unpainted wood. So I think that quite likely in service The US followed the British military belief/saying " that if it moved you could place a bet/wager on it. If it didn't move you bloody well painted it" :roll: :wink: :lol: So Jerry your choice mate :) No one can tell you your wrong. :wink:
regards Nick

Joe Gopan
Jeep Heaven
Posts: 49841
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Joe Gopan » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:16 am

A little raw Linseed Oil will help preserve the wood.
My NOS is made from Poplar, the raw linseed oil did not affect the color. Been on my MB 40+ years.
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

User avatar
Farrell Fox
banned
Posts: 4847
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:17 pm
Location:

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Farrell Fox » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:59 pm

[Post Deleted By Author]
Last edited by Farrell Fox on Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
4th Tank Battalion, 4th Marine Division
M1A1 Main Battle Tank Mechanic
M88 Armored Vehicle Recovery Operator
AVLB Operator

Joe Gopan
Jeep Heaven
Posts: 49841
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Joe Gopan » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:28 am

Not necessarily. Mine was in Willys Box.
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

User avatar
ajlang
G-First Lieutenant
G-First Lieutenant
Posts: 654
Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:09 am
Location: Newnan, GA

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by ajlang » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:48 am

Hard to tell here because of the lighting. Maybe installed natural and sprayed in the back?
Image
Attachments
EralyTube_on_jeep_in_Austrailia.jpg
EralyTube_on_jeep_in_Austrailia.jpg (105.13 KiB) Viewed 2284 times

Joe Gopan
Jeep Heaven
Posts: 49841
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Joe Gopan » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:55 am

Interesting. Note the world's oldest PFC. :wink:
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

User avatar
Mark Tombleson
MZ Radio Operator
Posts: 9836
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:58 pm
Location: Selah, Washington

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Mark Tombleson » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:44 am

Ben Dover wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:28 am
Not necessarily. Mine was in Willys Box.
I agree with Farrell on this one Joel.

A-1147 Front Bumper Bar Wood Filler is listed in all the SNL and listed in the BOM... the Contract radio jeep BOMs use the same part number.

If they were different part numbers I would say OD and forest green but it is the same part number... hence plain wood. As noted above they painted it sometime during assembly.

So, unpainted in the box as a part, painted on the assembly line.

Andy, I remember seeing the frame and drive train being painted at WO factory but cannot seem to find that photo?

Maybe a drawing of A-1147 would give the finish.
MB-NAVY-MZ-1 352625 - 07/20/44 (DOD est.)
U.S.N. 133818
2nd place Restored Class 2008 Portland Convention
MVPA Hall of Fame - 2013

User avatar
ajlang
G-First Lieutenant
G-First Lieutenant
Posts: 654
Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:09 am
Location: Newnan, GA

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by ajlang » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:54 am

Mark,
Was it one of these maybe?
Andy
Attachments
June1942Willys.jpg
June1942Willys.jpg (108.98 KiB) Viewed 2272 times
Drying_booth_line_WO_chassis_June_1942.jpg
Drying_booth_line_WO_chassis_June_1942.jpg (163.79 KiB) Viewed 2272 times

User avatar
Mark Tombleson
MZ Radio Operator
Posts: 9836
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:58 pm
Location: Selah, Washington

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Mark Tombleson » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:05 am

That bottom one... you can see the wood filler thru the hole. painted for sure.

Thanks Andy! :D :D
MB-NAVY-MZ-1 352625 - 07/20/44 (DOD est.)
U.S.N. 133818
2nd place Restored Class 2008 Portland Convention
MVPA Hall of Fame - 2013

Joe Gopan
Jeep Heaven
Posts: 49841
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Joe Gopan » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:54 am

Intentionally painted, or overspray?
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

User avatar
Mark Tombleson
MZ Radio Operator
Posts: 9836
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:58 pm
Location: Selah, Washington

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Mark Tombleson » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:47 pm

Ben Dover wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:02 am
I installed a NOS out of Willys packaging, it was bare wood.
Ben Dover wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:16 am
A little raw Linseed Oil will help preserve the wood.
My NOS is made from Poplar, the raw linseed oil did not affect the color. Been on my MB 40+ years.
According to Ordnance Substitute Drawing D7698454 for WO-A-1147, GPW-17751:

"Filler to be oak, yellow birch or maple treated with approved wood preservative & sealer by dipping for 5 minutes. 5% Pentachlorophenol M-3845 or 1/2% of Phenyl Mercuric Oleate M-3854 by weight."

The drawing does not list the filler as being painted but I don't see it taped off and it really does not matter as it is painted.

I do wonder though how you have a filler made out of the wrong wood and no preservative & sealer?
MB-NAVY-MZ-1 352625 - 07/20/44 (DOD est.)
U.S.N. 133818
2nd place Restored Class 2008 Portland Convention
MVPA Hall of Fame - 2013

Joe Gopan
Jeep Heaven
Posts: 49841
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Bumper wood filler colour

Post by Joe Gopan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:57 am

We've gone thru this before about how I came by the NOS MB bumper filler. It was identified by friend Maynard Page, a dealer in specialty lumber. During WWII Mr. Page was employed by the Gov't to cruise the forests of Maine and Canada selecting timber for use during WWII, he was responsible for wood selected for use on the Mosquito aircraft plus whatever else the Gov't required. I also showed it to a local millwork shop which also identified it as Poplar. As far as it being untreated, I doubt anyone can prove that it was without taking core samples, I usually give wood used on my M'V's the Raw Linseed Oil treatment. We can recite fancy chemicals all we want and I doubt Jeep restorers will ever use them. One of my former responsibilities was selecting wood suitable for being used to detect ocean wood borers that attacked wood used in bridge and dock construction.
Why my bumper filler is made out of poplar is anybody's guess, it sure looks good tho and will remain in it's place of honor up front on my MB.
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO


Post Reply

Return to “Slat Grill, early Willys MB”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 50 guests