December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
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December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
I have a wrecked early MB with the flat dash but the data plate and frame tag are gone. The gusset number is 5756, the axles are dated 12-15-41 and 12-20-41, respectively. The engine appears to be an early '43 Willys, it's stamped MB 226981 with a casting date of 2-4. I'm assuming that would be 2-4-43. Does the gusset number suggest a data plate number around MB 104xxx to MB 105xxx?
Frank Asturias, SFC U.S. Army (ret) MOS 88L40, MVPA 5519
2 '41 MBs, one wrecked
2 '42 MBs
1 "42 GPW
1 '43 MB
3 '43 GPWs
2 '41 MBs, one wrecked
2 '42 MBs
1 "42 GPW
1 '43 MB
3 '43 GPWs
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
Concur that the engine is from 1943.
In my database I've got higher tub numbers on Jeeps in the low 104xxx range and lower tub numbers on Jeeps in the high 105xx range. I've seen clear indications that the tubs were not used in sequential order and the scatter is worse in late 1941 then it was later in the war when the production rate was higher so I can't narrow your range down but would agree that it's likely that your jeep was somewhere in the 104xxx to 105xxx range.
Based on your axle delivery dates and the following entries I have I 'd lean towards the high 105xxx range:
S/N 105557, DOD 12/19/1941
S/N 106016, DOD 12/26/1941
In my database I've got higher tub numbers on Jeeps in the low 104xxx range and lower tub numbers on Jeeps in the high 105xx range. I've seen clear indications that the tubs were not used in sequential order and the scatter is worse in late 1941 then it was later in the war when the production rate was higher so I can't narrow your range down but would agree that it's likely that your jeep was somewhere in the 104xxx to 105xxx range.
Based on your axle delivery dates and the following entries I have I 'd lean towards the high 105xxx range:
S/N 105557, DOD 12/19/1941
S/N 106016, DOD 12/26/1941
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1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
I've noticed the considerable variation on the tub numbers. I have MB112484, delivered 1-16-42, front axle is dated 1-14-42. Rear axle is '43 dated so it's a replacement.
Frank Asturias, SFC U.S. Army (ret) MOS 88L40, MVPA 5519
2 '41 MBs, one wrecked
2 '42 MBs
1 "42 GPW
1 '43 MB
3 '43 GPWs
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
mine is 104452 gusset 8008. 12-18-41
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
Thanks for the information, guys. Seth, I'm definitely inclined to assign a high MB 105xxx number to this MB, with a delivery date between 12-22-41 and 12-30-41. Can you suggest a number and delivery date?
Frank Asturias, SFC U.S. Army (ret) MOS 88L40, MVPA 5519
2 '41 MBs, one wrecked
2 '42 MBs
1 "42 GPW
1 '43 MB
3 '43 GPWs
2 '41 MBs, one wrecked
2 '42 MBs
1 "42 GPW
1 '43 MB
3 '43 GPWs
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
Assuming average 57 jeeps produced per day and DOD 2 days after latest axle assembly using 105557 as starting reference point, 105785.
Checking S/N list, no Jeep claims that number...ergo, your slatties's DOD could be 105785.
Let's see if someone claims that S/N.
Regards, JeePa (aka Mobilized Medic) (my checkbook is usually off a couple of cents.)
Checking S/N list, no Jeep claims that number...ergo, your slatties's DOD could be 105785.
Let's see if someone claims that S/N.
Regards, JeePa (aka Mobilized Medic) (my checkbook is usually off a couple of cents.)
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
You've got all the data I have. Your guess is as good as mine.
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1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
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1944 MB 349858, 20620361
1942 MBT 10968 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=149552
1942 MBT 15799, USA 0217497 viewtopic.php?f=18&t=225199
MVPA # 8587
Com / Inst. SMEL
CFII - ASEL
KI5LYB
Collecting Willys Engine Info. Please send me Engine #, Casting Date & Machining Date if known
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
MB 102868 12/9/41...no gusset number known.
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
JeePa said, "Assuming average 57 jeeps produced per day......."
Do we know this to be a fact? I have asked that question several times, and have been led to believe that no one knows how many jeeps were built each day. I would be pleased to know that this is true, or close at least. Is there any kind of documentation?
Also, how many days from the end of the assembly line to "acceptance", or DOD?
I would like to be able to come up with a very close DOD, and even more important to me an assembly date, for #100161.
Thanks. BW
Do we know this to be a fact? I have asked that question several times, and have been led to believe that no one knows how many jeeps were built each day. I would be pleased to know that this is true, or close at least. Is there any kind of documentation?
Also, how many days from the end of the assembly line to "acceptance", or DOD?
I would like to be able to come up with a very close DOD, and even more important to me an assembly date, for #100161.
Thanks. BW
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
I have gusset 6971, 106112, 12-23-41
1941 Slat Grill 106112 DoD 12-23-1941
1951 M100 trailer 01207732
1954 Dodge M37(M42)
1942 Dodge WC21 DoD 3-17-42
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
Hmm...let's do the math on known MBs here:
102868 12/9
104452 12/18
105557 12/19
106112 12/23
106016 12/26
Giving the difference between 106016 and 106112...I'm guessing 106016 flunked its test drive and was held back so using the other examples here is what I can see:
From 12/9 to 12/23 there are 13 days of production if you don't count Sunday. I don't know if they only worked five days at Willys then so I am using six days in this. Between 102868 and 106112 that would be 3,244 jeeps or...or..more than 250 per day.
102868 12/9
104452 12/18
105557 12/19
106112 12/23
106016 12/26
Giving the difference between 106016 and 106112...I'm guessing 106016 flunked its test drive and was held back so using the other examples here is what I can see:
From 12/9 to 12/23 there are 13 days of production if you don't count Sunday. I don't know if they only worked five days at Willys then so I am using six days in this. Between 102868 and 106112 that would be 3,244 jeeps or...or..more than 250 per day.
Chuck Lutz
GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
Thanks Chuck, that sounds more reasonable to me. If we reach back to the first day of production, it looks like 2868 MB's were built in the first 18 days or so, which is only about 160 a day. I can see the line being a little slow at first, and building speed as a routine was established and bugs were worked out. I can see the first day being especially slow, which kinda shoots down my idea that mine may have been built the first day. BW
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
I've been going over the delivery dates for slat grills and I can only find one delivered on a weekend in December (the 28th). January changes, apparently regular overtime started that month.
Frank Asturias, SFC U.S. Army (ret) MOS 88L40, MVPA 5519
2 '41 MBs, one wrecked
2 '42 MBs
1 "42 GPW
1 '43 MB
3 '43 GPWs
2 '41 MBs, one wrecked
2 '42 MBs
1 "42 GPW
1 '43 MB
3 '43 GPWs
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
I am a little late to this party but I can offer the data from my Slat Grill.
MBI0289I
D.O.D: 12/08/41
Gusset# 5126
MBI0289I
D.O.D: 12/08/41
Gusset# 5126
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Re: December 1941 MB, no data plate or frame tag
SN 100271 DD on data plate is 11/24 third day of production, gusset # 257
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