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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:10 pm

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Oz, so that portion was confusing to me as well, so I took a lot of fair to decent pics of that set up. If the 3/4T is similar to the 1/2T, I can post them. I'll be back in a bit...
Anything will help. Thanks.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by USAFpj » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:27 pm

But after re-reading your request, I see that you're looking for throttle, and not necessarily accelerator...

Stealing this from Zeph:

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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:29 pm

i probably have the terms wrong. i'm needing images from the cross tube in back of the engine right side to the carburetor attchment and all in between. from the thread you posted, the govs are mounted one forward and one bck. not sure which is the correct orientation. i also have incorrect horns on the manifold attachment.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by Dozerman51 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:52 pm

Hey Ozzie,
Real glad to hear that the Gen. pulley and bracket all worked out for you. Sorry I can't help with the Carb. linkage as I don't have a Gov. and the anti-vapor lock plate on my Carb. My Carb. float bowl faces to the front not the side as yours does. Keep up the good work. :D

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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:12 pm

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Hey Ozzie,
Real glad to hear that the Gen. pulley and bracket all worked out for you. Sorry I can't help with the Carb. linkage as I don't have a Gov. and the anti-vapor lock plate on my Carb. My Carb. float bowl faces to the front not the side as yours does. Keep up the good work. :D
Thanks for the comments and for trying to help. I'll post some images of the parts I do have. perhaps someone will recognize them.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:14 pm

Here is an image of the various bell crank parts that I have, along with the hrottle Cable Housing Clamp Bracket. VPW does have that bracket, but no other bell cranks that mount on the bracket. I will also need to fab the rod that goes from the linkage to the throttle.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by Dozerman51 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:46 pm

Hi Ozzie,
In T/M 10-1201 on pp.144 it shows a pic of the throttle bell crank set-up. If you have T/M 10-11536 the pic is on pp. 150.
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Post by 17thAirborne » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:05 pm

Both of my TMs are repros and the images are fuzzy and small. :cry:
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:11 am

Spoke with Steve at VPW. The three bell cranks in the image above are totally incorrect. He and Dozerman51 sent me some pics to use for reference. Apparently the correct WC 1/2 ton linkage is extremely hard to find. Steve will send me two suitable bell cranks that will work, although they are not period or correct. It will be one of the things I'll have to search for in time. Here is an image from the TM that shows the correct config with the spacer plate, the governor (mine is 180 out) and the carburetor with the fuel inlet facing to the left.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:57 am

Time to tackle the fuel tank sealing. I elected to use the KBS Gold Standard 3-part sealer kit. It consists of a cleaner, an etcher and a sealer solution. Each stage is done separately according to the instructions, with an ample drying out period between stages. The critical drying stage is before the sealer as any moisture will inhibit proper adherence of the sealer.

1. I made a full gasket to place under the fuel sending unit plate to seal up that opening. I will leave this in place using the sender mounting screws until the sealer is installed. I will then remove the screws after step 3 before the sealer cures and clean the thread holes so as not to allow those to be buggered up.

2. I used the old section of fuel line and the fitting, bending over a section to seal the pick up opening.

3. I made a simple filler seal with a plastic bag, two rubber gloves and a zip tie.

4. I followed the instructions (below) for the cleaner/rust remover. Since the inside had already been completely cleaned and lightly blasted, this was easy and served to remove any flash or remaining bits. The water ran clear after two rinses. You will notice any pin holes and weld leaks as soon as you rotate the tank. I marked those with a sharpie just to verify the size. Done with part one.

5. I used a heat gun and compressed air to dry the tank. 25 mph winds and a few hours also helped as the tank sat in the sun.

6. Step 2 was simple, just followed the instructions.

7. Used the hot air gun and compressed air to dry. Humidity in NM is about 10% right now, so by Sunday, should be completely dry and ready for the sealer.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by USAFpj » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:47 am

Oz, glad you are taking the tank seriously. I dropped mine off simply due to their experience. And in my experience, a lot of systems on an MV can be 'repaired along the way', but what is mandatory is solid brakes, tight steering, complete and intact electrical, and a flawless fuel system. Everything else is debatable...

A sneak peek of my progress in between trips to exotic lands abroad :lol:

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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:50 am

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Oz, glad you are taking the tank seriously. I dropped mine off simply due to their experience. And in my experience, a lot of systems on an MV can be 'repaired along the way', but what is mandatory is solid brakes, tight steering, complete and intact electrical, and a flawless fuel system. Everything else is debatable...

A sneak peek of my progress in between trips to exotic lands abroad :lol:
I had the tank welded by a professional, but even with that there are tiny seepages from the welds. The instructions say the kit will seal anything smaller than the head of a pin. Just for reference the head of a pin is 1.5mm or just under 1/16 of an inch. I think I will use some flux and solder to flow over the weld and the few other small holes just to give a bit of added help. Then I'll do the part 3.

That is one sharp pit crew you have in your garage. Good to see them involved. The engine looks GREAT.

BTW: Sorry to hear about the loss of our brethern in the HH-60G. I spent 2 years with the 301st at PAFB back in the 90's. It's part of what we all sign up for, but none the less, it's still sad when this happens. We mourn their loss. Be safe when next you travel brother!
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:56 pm

Completed step 3 today. I stirred the sealer as directed, poured it in the tank, sealed the filler tube and began 30 minutes of tank rotation followed by 30 minutes of draining. I removed the heavy gauge wire from the inside of the pick up tube and repeatedly blew air into the hole to make sure it was free. I removed the gasket from the sending unit hole and blew the screw holes clean. I will probably have to chase them when everything is cured.

It is a sticky mess, so wear old togs and gloves of course. Now to wait three days to dry before painting and mounting and a full week before any fuel should go in it.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by USAFpj » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:36 pm

Sorry to hear about the loss of our brethern in the HH-60G. I spent 2 years with the 301st at PAFB back in the 90's. It's part of what we all sign up for, but none the less, it's still sad when this happens. We mourn their loss.
Appreciate it. Both of the PJ's were friends, but one was real close. Probably the best PJ I ever met; I believe it was a NY Guard aircrew, with Patrick backenders. We were talking about retiring in 2013 and doing the contracting gig. He decided to stay.

My tank is getting sealed by them as well- I needed a one stop shop so that I knew who to blame if it fails :lol: ...
I think I'm going on close to 2 months, and they still have it... :shock:

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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808

Post by 17thAirborne » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:11 pm

I heard about it with names through my old RQS contacts. A former 308 RQS/CC lives near me as well. That others may live.....

I hope my tank seals well. You probably did good to send it out. I had two bubbling pin holes when the tank was sealed. The reaction causes off gassing which kept the holes bubbling, but as soon as I took the cap off, that stopped. WIll go check it now and see :o
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