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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
I'm sure with the 11 leafs they would be fine. It's getting more difficult locating good used half-ton front leafs. The rears seem to hold up better with less static weight on them over the years I suppose.
Of course you know that VPW made some reproduction front and rear leaf spring packs for the half-tons, but the price point is a bit high. If they were a bit less that would be a great option. For me, better to find some decent used spring packs. The extra leafs that you have likely help overall to extend their life.
If I couldn't find a decent set of used, I would consider the reproduction leafs. At least they are available. Haven't seen any reports as of yet on the performance of these reproduction springs. I imagine, they would be pretty good:
Of course you know that VPW made some reproduction front and rear leaf spring packs for the half-tons, but the price point is a bit high. If they were a bit less that would be a great option. For me, better to find some decent used spring packs. The extra leafs that you have likely help overall to extend their life.
If I couldn't find a decent set of used, I would consider the reproduction leafs. At least they are available. Haven't seen any reports as of yet on the performance of these reproduction springs. I imagine, they would be pretty good:
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
Zeph,
Those springs look pretty nice. I think I'll mount these (so to speak) and see how much money is left over when the project is finished. It will be a bit over $600 to add the springs, and that may not be a bad option. The work to install would certainly be minimal at this point and a bit more later
Those springs look pretty nice. I think I'll mount these (so to speak) and see how much money is left over when the project is finished. It will be a bit over $600 to add the springs, and that may not be a bad option. The work to install would certainly be minimal at this point and a bit more later
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
I am one day's work away for a major milestone for me: a rolling chassis. All that is left is to press in two bushings and assemble. That should be no more than 3 hours for me. On a bit of a break now until the bushings arrive. I have rattle can early lusterless on the way so I can hit the few small areas tht I could not reach from underneath with the gun.
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Just to get ahead of orders, I requested my Transfer case small parts, seals and gaskets. Will start on that soon.
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
Cost data updated on 1st Post
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Almost ready to mate it to the frame. I touched up the paint with rattle can. I chased all of the threads for the u-bolts, and my spring bumpers arrived. I cleaned and painted the metal portion before attaching them.
Just need two spring eye bushings to show up!
Just need two spring eye bushings to show up!
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Between work on the axle, I have been cleaning up the transfer case before taking it apart. It had about 1" of oil and rock hard dirt on the case exterior. I began with a good soaking in kerosene for a few days, and while it was in the cleaning bucket soaking I scraped off a few pounds of the foul mess. With 90% removed, I began scraping off the stubborn stuff on the bolts and recesses. I think it needs one more wet cleaning and I will be able to take it apart.
I have found that 10 seconds of time to remove a small bit of dirt and grease on a part saves about 1 minute of vigorous sand blasting . The media tends to stick in the grease and dirt and it really does not want to blast away, whereas paint and patina are brushed aside.
I have found that 10 seconds of time to remove a small bit of dirt and grease on a part saves about 1 minute of vigorous sand blasting . The media tends to stick in the grease and dirt and it really does not want to blast away, whereas paint and patina are brushed aside.
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Just because I love to hear my voice and read my musings, here is my 2500th G503 post
.....Its about as valuable as most of my others!
.....Its about as valuable as most of my others!
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
Looking good, Oz! And congrats on the 2500th post! I'm still quite a ways away from that, but certainly get excited every time I reach a new level17thAirborne wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:12 pmJust because I love to hear my voice and read my musings, here is my 2500th G503 post
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Thanks Sean. 13 years and running so far!
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
Began the transfer case tear down today. Only a few steps done, but progress none the less. I am simply following the TM, extract included below. The poppet ball is still inside the passageway as my magnet grabber is too wide to get in there and gravity is not working due to oil. Will get that soon. I do notice that the flanges have been excessively worn where they make contact with the oil seals due to dirt rubbing aginst them as they rotate. Will add some flange sleeves from VPW.
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AN enjoyable evening continuing on tear down. I removed the case screws, the shift rail (saved the poppet ball) took out the gears and the three cover bearing retainer plates with associated shims. I am very pleased with the condition of the bearings, races, splines and teeth. Very clean and newish. I failed to get an image of the shift rail. Will continue on tear down of case on the next sortie.
Driving Gear shims x 2
Idler Gear shims x 1
Driven gear shims x 0
Driving Gear shims x 2
Idler Gear shims x 1
Driven gear shims x 0
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
Looking good Oz!! Your doing a fantastic job. Very thorough indeed!
6566 total to date (oct 24 2017) isn't bad really.
Though if memory serves me correctly I got a lot of money in the body as well.
Not sure your tailgate, bed panels, running boards, windshield frame and glass condition is, but if you need to replace any of those components , well, ya know the prices there..
Also your interior like headliner and seat covering fabric and such will be another expense.
Still it appears as if your project cost isn't as bad as mine was
6566 total to date (oct 24 2017) isn't bad really.
Though if memory serves me correctly I got a lot of money in the body as well.
Not sure your tailgate, bed panels, running boards, windshield frame and glass condition is, but if you need to replace any of those components , well, ya know the prices there..
Also your interior like headliner and seat covering fabric and such will be another expense.
Still it appears as if your project cost isn't as bad as mine was
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
Wanted to comment on those redi-sleeves.
I know VPW sells them for 32. I was going to go this route also until I contacted Midwest military.
John refurbishes the yokes by welding and building them up, then re-cutting to proper diameter. A bit more costly (I think 65 or 75?)
But there is an option besides the sleeves. I heard the redo sleeves aren't always the best route for some reason? I have no experience with them, just stating what I heard. I can't see how they would NOT work.
But I'll tell you this:
The worn shafts your showing do need attention or you will never get the leaks stopped. Even new seals on MY front shaft that didn't turn (as I got lock outs installed) still leaked until I bought a new front yoke.
Oh.. one more thing: I tried several output shaft seals. I first bought and tried these el-cheapo thin single neoprene ring modern ones. No go. Still leaked. They were still like 10 bucks thru napa
I bought NOS ones from Midwest and they were much thicker, with two levels of oil seapage protection: one was the neoprene ring, the other a felt outer ring. (Actually the outer felt ring is to stop dirt and debris, but I guess it helps oil control some what?)
Anyway the ones from midwest worked best and if I remember were the same price as those cheaper napa ones!
John offers true NOS with leather and felt outer ring, as well as neoprene with the felt. I went the later having had issues in the past with leather. Just my preference.
I thought all my seals were good until summer and higher temps hit here. The oil and all fluids run thinner in heat!! When it's colder out, less leaks under the truck!!
I know VPW sells them for 32. I was going to go this route also until I contacted Midwest military.
John refurbishes the yokes by welding and building them up, then re-cutting to proper diameter. A bit more costly (I think 65 or 75?)
But there is an option besides the sleeves. I heard the redo sleeves aren't always the best route for some reason? I have no experience with them, just stating what I heard. I can't see how they would NOT work.
But I'll tell you this:
The worn shafts your showing do need attention or you will never get the leaks stopped. Even new seals on MY front shaft that didn't turn (as I got lock outs installed) still leaked until I bought a new front yoke.
Oh.. one more thing: I tried several output shaft seals. I first bought and tried these el-cheapo thin single neoprene ring modern ones. No go. Still leaked. They were still like 10 bucks thru napa
I bought NOS ones from Midwest and they were much thicker, with two levels of oil seapage protection: one was the neoprene ring, the other a felt outer ring. (Actually the outer felt ring is to stop dirt and debris, but I guess it helps oil control some what?)
Anyway the ones from midwest worked best and if I remember were the same price as those cheaper napa ones!
John offers true NOS with leather and felt outer ring, as well as neoprene with the felt. I went the later having had issues in the past with leather. Just my preference.
I thought all my seals were good until summer and higher temps hit here. The oil and all fluids run thinner in heat!! When it's colder out, less leaks under the truck!!
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Re: Restoring WC12 W-231808
Dave,
Those are some great comments. I already pulled the trigger on the speedi-sleeves. I hope they work for me. As usual I am one step ahead of knowing that I need to ask questions before sourcing rebuild parts. That is the cost of my inexperience in rebuilding. I tend to split my orders between VPW and Midwest. probably at 60/40 right now. I think both are great companies and I am happy that they both are able to guide me in parts purchases. When I last spoke with Steve at VPW, he cut my order down by recommending NOT buying a few things that I thought I might need, and he has seen good results with the sleeves.
I must say that I planned on calling you before I order parts after we communicated about the bell housing, but the hustle and bustle of the day and my less than acceptable memory got in the way...you know the story, "Now who was I supposed to call this morning?" I guess I'm fortunate that I have the NOS seals coming in and I hope the sleeves work for me.
Those are some great comments. I already pulled the trigger on the speedi-sleeves. I hope they work for me. As usual I am one step ahead of knowing that I need to ask questions before sourcing rebuild parts. That is the cost of my inexperience in rebuilding. I tend to split my orders between VPW and Midwest. probably at 60/40 right now. I think both are great companies and I am happy that they both are able to guide me in parts purchases. When I last spoke with Steve at VPW, he cut my order down by recommending NOT buying a few things that I thought I might need, and he has seen good results with the sleeves.
I must say that I planned on calling you before I order parts after we communicated about the bell housing, but the hustle and bustle of the day and my less than acceptable memory got in the way...you know the story, "Now who was I supposed to call this morning?" I guess I'm fortunate that I have the NOS seals coming in and I hope the sleeves work for me.
Oz
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