SOLD!: 1943 Ford GPW/matching *Frame & ID plate Serials

1941 - 1945, Willys MB & Ford GPW jeeps, NO EBAY, Craigslist or COMMERCIAL SALES.
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Re: For SALE: 1943 Ford GPW/matching Body & IDplate Serials

Post by Michael O. » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:18 pm

Assembled at the Dallas Assembly Plant?
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Re: For SALE: 1943 Ford GPW/matching Body & IDplate Serials

Post by AllenHenson » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:40 pm

AllenHenson wrote:
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conrod6 wrote:
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Hi Allen - may not be much comfort but your jeep would make 9K over here(in UK) no problem - and that would be GB pounds not Dollars.

regards Barrie
Maybe true but it's not in the U.K. so that really doesn't matter, does it?

Your GPW serial number is very close to my '43 GPW. I wouldn't mind seeing this in person but not sure if that's a possibility.

Can you post some information on the engine? It looks like it has a CJ or M-38 head installed.
no problem Michael, I'll take some more photos later.
here's a shot of the engine from today.
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Post by Michael O. » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:46 pm

Thanks for posting the photo. Is there a serial number on the pad behind the oil filter? Or, is there a serial number stamped on the flat boss behind the water pump? Also, the casting numbers on the upper left corner of the head (left front corner as installed) will form us if it's a CJ head or an M-38 head.

All this information is helpful in identifying the pedigree of the motor and may help you with the sale.
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Post by lt.luke » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:03 pm

I believe I see a threaded and plugged hole at the left rear of the head. This would indicate an M38 head.

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Post by AllenHenson » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:13 pm

Michael O. wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:46 pm
Thanks for posting the photo. Is there a serial number on the pad behind the oil filter? Or, is there a serial number stamped on the flat boss behind the water pump? Also, the casting numbers on the upper left corner of the head (left front corner as installed) will form us if it's a CJ head or an M-38 head.

All this information is helpful in identifying the pedigree of the motor and may help you with the sale.

the serial 4404?? is on the pad behind the oil filter, the casting numbers I'm seeing, if i'm looking at the right thing is 15273
then the number 411 immediately under
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Post by AllenHenson » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:09 pm

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Assembled at the Dallas Assembly Plant?
? Can you actually look that up by serial!?! Sweet.
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Post by lt.luke » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:19 pm

AllenHenson wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:13 pm
Michael O. wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:46 pm
Thanks for posting the photo. Is there a serial number on the pad behind the oil filter? Or, is there a serial number stamped on the flat boss behind the water pump? Also, the casting numbers on the upper left corner of the head (left front corner as installed) will form us if it's a CJ head or an M-38 head.

All this information is helpful in identifying the pedigree of the motor and may help you with the sale.

the serial 4404?? is on the pad behind the oil filter, the casting numbers I'm seeing, if i'm looking at the right thing is 15273
then the number 411 immediately under
If all you see if "4404" then that's only half the story. ⭐️GPW ######⭐️ Will be the full serial number. How's started at "GPW1" and went up. MB's would be "MB#####" and started with 100001 and up.

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Post by lt.luke » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:24 pm

While we are at it... your post doesn't make too much sense. You say the body and data tag serials match. GPW's do not have body serial numbers besides the data plate on the dash. MBs have a number on the body gusset but it won't match the dash mounted plate.

The engines have a SN on the oval boss behind the oil filter housing.

MBs have a data plate on the left frame horn behind the bumper.

GPW's have the SN stamped on the left frame rail under the hood somewhere around the motor mount on top. ...if ya wanna look for that....someone will ask. Sooner or later.

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Post by AllenHenson » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:51 pm

lt.luke wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:24 pm
While we are at it... your post doesn't make too much sense. You say the body and data tag serials match. GPW's do not have body serial numbers besides the data plate on the dash. MBs have a number on the body gusset but it won't match the dash mounted plate.

The engines have a SN on the oval boss behind the oil filter housing.

MBs have a data plate on the left frame horn behind the bumper.

GPW's have the SN stamped on the left frame rail under the hood somewhere around the motor mount on top. ...if ya wanna look for that....someone will ask. Sooner or later.
Then I'm certain what I was calling body, is that frame rail, apologies, still figuring a lot of this out.
The stamp on that rail has a star GPW103544 star
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here's a picture of what I saw for the engine SN
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Post by AllenHenson » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pm

AllenHenson wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:51 pm
lt.luke wrote:
Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:24 pm
While we are at it... your post doesn't make too much sense. You say the body and data tag serials match. GPW's do not have body serial numbers besides the data plate on the dash. MBs have a number on the body gusset but it won't match the dash mounted plate.

The engines have a SN on the oval boss behind the oil filter housing.

MBs have a data plate on the left frame horn behind the bumper.

GPW's have the SN stamped on the left frame rail under the hood somewhere around the motor mount on top. ...if ya wanna look for that....someone will ask. Sooner or later.
Then I'm certain what I was calling body, is that frame rail, apologies, still figuring a lot of this out.
The stamp on that rail has a star GPW103544 star
IMG_6091.jpg,

here's a picture of what I saw for the engine SN
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I've corrected the thread from body to frame, thanks for pointing that out lt.luke
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Post by lt.luke » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:03 pm

You're welcome. And that's a CJ/non-WWII oil filer can. At least by the look of the mount.

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Re: For SALE: 1943 Ford GPW/matching *Frame & ID plate Serials

Post by Michael O. » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:27 am

It's hard to tell from the photo but based on what you have listed as a possible partial serial number (I think i can make out "440-1"...rest is not legible), I suspect you have an engine from a 1940 Willys coupe installed. These early Willys engines were commonly used as replacements engines by civilians in the post war era as they are almost basically the same L-134 engine with some minor differences...different type type connecting rod bearings originally, different casting number, etc. The casting number on the left bottom portion of the block will identify this engine. I know its more difficult obtaining photos of these specific areas when everything is bolted on and installed in the jeep.
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Re: For SALE: 1943 Ford GPW/matching *Frame & ID plate Serials

Post by AllenHenson » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:47 am

Michael O. wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:27 am
It's hard to tell from the photo but based on what you have listed as a possible partial serial number (I think i can make out "440-1"...rest is not legible), I suspect you have an engine from a 1940 Willys coupe installed. These early Willys engines were commonly used as replacements engines by civilians in the post war era as they are almost basically the same L-134 engine with some minor differences...different type type connecting rod bearings originally, different casting number, etc. The casting number on the left bottom portion of the block will identify this engine. I know its more difficult obtaining photos of these specific areas when everything is bolted on and installed in the jeep.
looking at 4-23 6369 N1-0R N2
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Post by AllenHenson » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:54 am

wait one, i just found the extra two digits
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Post by AllenHenson » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:14 am




4-23 636953 W1 N1-0R N2
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