1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

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1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:08 am

In the last month, I've become an MVMTS collector. This started from trying to gather a couple engineer DOEs to go with my WC-1, and rapidly grew into being a fledgling MVMTS collector, as the appeal of a reasonably complete and useful period tool kit is just too great to pass up. Since buying the start of my kit, I've turned into even more of a flea market junky, but now with the grubby hands associated with digging through old tool boxes and tables of tools. Comparing flea market prices to auction site prices, it's no wonder so many folks run annual threads for flea market finds.

As a student of history, it's interesting to see where knowledge has evolved from, such as these early threads:
Collecting a GMTK (it's a complex task): http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f= ... RAPD+MVMTS
How do You Know? http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f= ... RAPD+MVMTS
and then comparing what was known as few as 5 years ago to what you guys have figured out in the meantime. It also explains threads such as the Retrospective (http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f= ... RAPD+MVMTS), and gives some context to what a goldmine the Retrospective thread is, since it lays out the sequence of the different tool sets, and has links which provide listings of the different components, and then has Wingnutt's AWESOME spreadsheets on page 2. I'm in awe of the research and contributions to knowledge made by Wingnutt, pjones, d42jeep, Heartofoak and others.

I chose to go with the N-19 MVMTS as its about the exact middle of the various wartime toolkits, and my vehicles are '41 (WC-1) and '42 (GPW). I'm sure that many of you will recognize some of my tools from other threads here in the tool forum, but I've added others from my garage, flea markets, and eBay. I'm excited at the prospect of continuing to build up my MVMTS, and keep learning. I've spent an inordinate amount of time in the last couple weeks studying tools and trying to catch up to what many of you have spent the last 5-10 years researching and learning. I'll post pics in a reply to this thread.

Tools in my kit are listed in parenthesis following the item description:
41-B-155 BAR, cross, for hinged socket handle, diameter of stock 1/2", length 10" (unmarked)
41-B-292 BAR, Pry, rolling head, 16" length (unmarked)
41-B-307 BAR, socket wrench, extension, length 5", 1/2" square drive (Husky)
41-B-309 BAR, socket wrench, extension, length 10", 1/2" square drive (Husky)
41-B-645 BIT, socket wrench, drag-link, 1/2" square drive (Walden 1129, 1130 and 1131)
41-B-1157 BLADE, hacksaw, type A, all hard, length 12", width 1/2" or 9/16", points per inch 24
41-B-1840 BOX, tool, steel, loose tray, olive drab, depth 7 5/16", length 21", width 8 1/2" (McAleer)
41-B-3345 BRUSH, sash tool, oval, No. 5 [have a stand-in, but want a good oval-shaped one]
41-C-1052 CHISEL, machs., hand, cape, 1/4" width of cut, 7" long
41-C-1106 CHISEL, machs., hand, cold, 1/2" width of cut, 6" long (1, unk maker)
41-C-1124 CHISEL, machs., hand, cold, 3/4" width of cut, 8" long (Kraeuter)
41-C-1168 CHISEL, machs., hand, dia-pt., 3/8" width of cut, 6" long
41-D-1514 DRIFT, brass, round, slightly chamfered on each end, size 1x7 inches (repro)
41-F-886 FILE, A.S., flat., sm., 10" long (Black Diamond)
41-F-950 FILE, A.S., half-rd., sm., 6" long (Black Diamond and K&F)
41-F-1304 FILE, A.S., rd., bast., 8" long (HELLER U.S.A. BEST)
41-F-1553 FILE, A.S., three-sq., bast., 8" long (Nicholson USA and Simonds red tail, broken at 6.5")
41-F-3390 FRAME, hacksaw, adjustable, straight handle, capacity 8" to 12" (thumb-nut tension style), Type A (UNK MFR)
41-G-355 GAGE, spark plug and ignition points (Autolite)
41-G-400 GAGE, thickness, set (Starrett 172A)
41-H-520 HAMMER, machinists', ball-peen, 4-oz (Vlchek)
41-H-527 HAMMER, machinists', ball-peen, 32-oz (Blue Point; BP needs handle).
41-H-1116 HANDLE, file and tool, wood, medium, diameter of grip 1 1/4" (several, mixed brands)
41-H-1117 HANDLE, file and tool, wood, medium, diameter of grip 1" (several, mixed brands)
41-H-1500 HANDLE, socket wrench, flexible head, spinner type, 1/2" square drive (OTC)
41-H-1501 HANDLE, socket wrench, offset, double end, 1 3/4" x 6 3/4", 1/2" square drive (APCO Mossberg)
41-H-1505 HANDLE, socket wrench, reversible, ratchet type, 1/2" square drive, 10" length approximately complete with plug (Husky)
41-H-1508 HANDLE, socket wrench, speeder, 1/2" square drive, length 18", length of shank __, diameter of swing 7" approximately (Williams S-10, PLVMB 5480 and New Britian NB-)
41-J-380 JOINT, socket wrench, universal, 1/2" square drive, male and female (Williams)
41-K-370 KNIFE, electricians' (Pal)
41-K-546 KNIFE, putty, width of blade 1 1/4" (Red Devil)
41-O-1530 OILER, steel, straight spout, spring bottom, capacity 1/2-pt., spout 4" (unmarked)
41-P-1652 PLIERS, combination, slip-joint, wire-cutting type, length (overall) 8"
41-P-1714 PLIERS,diagonal-cutting, length (overall) 6" (Crescent Crestaloy)
41-P-1904 PLIERS, round-nose, long, length (overall) 6" (Utica 21-6)
41-P-1977 PLIERS, flat-nose, side cutting, length 8" (Utica)
41-P-2100 PLIERS, water pump capacity of jaw adjustment 1/4" to 1 3/8" (Utica 506)
41-P-3185 PUNCH, center, octagon or round-knurled, diameter of stock 3/8", length 4 1/2", type II (Mayhew)
41-P-3640 PUNCH, drive-pin, solid, taper, type VIII, class C, 1/8" diam. (Mayhew)
41-P-3642 PUNCH,drive-pin, solid, taper, type VIII, class C, 1/4" diam. (Mayhew)
41-P-3644 PUNCH, drive-pin, solid, taper, type VIII, class C, 3/8" diam. (Millers Falls)
41-R-2990 RULE, steel, spring-tempered, English-scale, length 6" (Bristol)
41-S-1063 SCREWDRIVER, closequarter, length of blade 1 3/4", type II (UNK MFR)
41-S-1076 SCREWDRIVER, common, heavy duty, integral handle, type III, Class B, length of blade 6" (unmarked)
41-S-1078 SCREWDRIVER, common, heavy duty, integral handle, type III, Class B, length of blade 10" (unmarked)
41-S-1225 SCREWDRIVER, electricians', shock proof handle, type I, length 2 1/2" (unmarked)
41-S-1228 SCREWDRIVER, electricians', shock proof handle, type I, length 5 1/2" (unmarked)
41-S-1385 SCREWDRIVER, machinists', extra heavy duty, wood insert handle, length of blade 5" (unmarked)
41-S-1400 SCREWDRIVER, machinists', offset type VI (USA, but from hex stock, not octagonal)
41-S-1638 SCREWDRIVER, recessed screw (Phillips type), type I, straight, No. 2, length of blade 4" (unmarked, red handle)
41-S-1640 SCREWDRIVER, recessed screw (Phillips type), type I, straight, No. 3, length of blade 6" (Bridgeport)
41-S-2806 SHEARS, tinners', hand, combination, length of cut 1 3/4", length (overall) 7" (Wiss V-13)
41-W-486 WRENCH, adjustable, Crescent type, jaw opening 15/16", length (overall) 8" (Williams)
41-W-488 WRENCH, adjustable, Crescent type, jaw opening 1 5/16", length (overall) 12" (Williams?)
41-W-620 WRENCH, box, dble-hd., dble-hex, short, offset type 3/8" x 7/16" opngs (Blue Point XS-1214)
41-W-622 WRENCH, box, dble-hd., dble-hex, short, offset type 1/2" x 9/16" opngs (Blue Point XS-1618)
41-W-625 WRENCH, box, dble-hd., dble-hex, short, offset type 5/8" x 3/4" opngs (Blue Point XS-2024)
41-W-603 WRENCH, box, dble-hd., long, dble-hex., 15* angle, 11/16" & 3/4", 10" long (Snap-On, G code)
41-W-605 WRENCH, box, dble-hd., long, dble-hex., 15* angle, 13/16" & 7/8", 11 1/2" long (Williams 7731B)
41-W-608 WRENCH, box, dble-hd., long, dble-hex., 15* angle, 15/16" & 1", 13" long (Williams 4033C)
41-W-900 WRENCH, set, electrical, (midget in set), consisting of 7 wrenches, in leatherette roll, openings 13/64" to 3/8" (unmarked)
41-W-991 WRENCH, engrs., 15* angle, dble-hd., open end, 3/8" & 7/16" opngs. (Williams 723A SPECIAL)
41-W-1003 WRENCH, engrs., 15* angle, dble-hd., open end, 1/2" & 19/32" opngs.(Arcturus)
41-W-1005-5 WRENCH, engrs., 15* angle, dble-hd., open end, 9/16" & 11/16" opngs. (Arcturus)
41-W-1008-10 WRENCH, engrs., 15* angle, dble-hd., open end, 5/8" & 25/32" opngs. (Arcturus & Williams)
41-W-1012-5 WRENCH, engrs., 15* angle, dble-hd., open end, 3/4" & 7/8" opngs. (Williams)
41-W-1021 WRENCH, engrs., 15* angle, dble-hd., open end, 15/16" & 1" opngs
41-W-1660 WRENCH, pipe, adj., hv-duty., length 6", cap. 1/2" (Trimo)
41-W-1663 WRENCH, pipe, adj., heavy duty., length 14", capacity 1 1/2" (Trimo)
41-W-2449 WRENCH, safety screw, 3/16", hexagon
41-W-2450 WRENCH, safety screw, 1/4", hexagon (unmarked; )
41-W-2451 WRENCH, safety screw, 5/16", hexagon (Unbrako)
41-W-2452 WRENCH, safety screw, 3/8", hexagon (Unbrako)
41-W-2615 WRENCH, set, socket, midget, 1/4" sq-drive (Craftsman)
41-W-3005 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 7/16" (Husky)
41-W-3007 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 1/2"(Husky)
41-W-3009 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 9/16"(Husky)
41-W-3011 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 19/32"(Husky)
41-W-3013 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 5/8" (Husky)
41-W-3015 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 11/16" (Husky)
41-W-3017 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 3/4" (Husky)
41-W-3019 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 25/32" (Husky)
41-W-3021 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 13/16" (Husky)
41-W-3023 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 7/8" (Husky)
41-W-3025 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 15/16" (Husky)
41-W-3027 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 1" (Husky)
41-W-3029 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 1 1/16"
41-W-3031 WRENCH, socket, w/o hdl., dble-hex. opng., 1/2 sq-drive., stght, thin wall, 1 1/8" (Husky & Williams)
Extras
38-C-300 BRUSH, File Card (Nicholson)
41-W-3027 WRENCH, socket, 1/2" drive, 1" (None Better)

I've made some bonehead moves (passed up a 10 prong scraper & bought the wrong Husky ratchet set to makeup the shortages in my own set, for instance), but I suppose that's what makes it fun. I'd welcome constructive feedback from all of you who are more experienced in this than I am!

Thanks for looking,
Steve
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Hartofoak » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:41 am

Can I be the first to welcome you to this peculiar pastime we share! I'm very impressed that you have read so many of the posts about the MVMTS/GMTS which we have come to know generically as the "GMTK". Amongst the "others" I think we should credit Roger alias "Silly's MB" who is my compatriot here across the pond and was instrumental in tracking down the earliest MVMTS documentation amongst other very important G503 information. Some of this causes controversy which adds to the interest, providing it doesn't become too personal! Over the years its been great to share our knowledge although I'm definitely falling behind "Wingnutt", pjones, d42jeep and others over there, who's knowledge and research has been quite spectacular. We have moved from a hobby based on a lot of speculation to one based upon a deep knowledge of the field.
One thing we do ask is that you publish photos of your kit so that we can all show off our knowledge and give constructive criticism!!
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:20 am

These pics are in reverse order, so start at the bottom. I tried to duplicate the RAPD figures in the 1944(?) SNL G-27, using the writing implements as place holders. I initially balked at trying to take these photos, but now that I have them, see where they're a useful tool all by themselves.

Heartofoak, thanks for the welcome! I knew that when I started a list of major contributors to the research, I'd accidentally leave a few folks out. No insult intended to those I overlooked, or the other frequent posters in this forum. I've learned a lot already, and am just getting started!

Look forward to your feedback!
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These are extras which were not depicted in the 1944(?) RAPDs (I know the Midget set was deleted by then, and the File Card Brush was with the N-19 set, as well). However, the midget set was part of the N-19; these are all Craftsman (H) components, though I'm missing a few.
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I am absolutely uncomfortable with the Proto 278 pliers in this picture, and wish that I had left them in my "questionable" bin. The pattern on the sides caught my attention at a flea, but I probably should have left them there. I expect some "constructive criticism" on this one :)
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Hand Receipts

Post by gpw_42 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:27 am

If anyone wants it, I have a .pdf of the info from the 5 OCT 1942 SNL N-19 entered onto (blank) modern DA 2062 forms. These hand receipts were the natural, and easy, way for me to keep up with the MVMTS as I started building it, and integrating pieces from multiple sources. Putting this together made me remember why I hated being a supply officer so much! Please send a PM if you're interested in the h/r.

I would REALLY like to have the info on the WW2 equivalent of the DA 2062, but so far have been unable to locate the proper period form....much less in fillable format!
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Wingnutt » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:45 am

Hartofoak wrote:Can I be the first to welcome you to this peculiar pastime we share! ...[ ]... We have moved from a hobby based on a lot of speculation to one based upon a deep knowledge of the field.
Very well said, as usual, from our elder statesman!

Steve,

I am glad Cliff was the first to welcome you, as he is not only one of the longest-operating and most knowledgeable collectors, but the most affable. If we were sending out a diplomat to meet with the representatives of a rival or peer GMTK collector group, we would send Cliff. :D (If we wanted to set them straight with in-the-field historical actuality, we'd send Silly's MB. If we wanted to fix all their vehicles as a gesture of good will, we'd send Don. If we wanted someone to come home with all their NOS stuff, we'd send Phil and Tin Medic. If we wanted to negotiate a trade at the most economically advantageous terms for us, we'd send mudbox. :lol: I could do this all day! )

I admire the way you've jumped in the deep end of the swimming hole with two feet and a Geronimo! yell. And making and updating a detailed inventory is a great idea (even if it does remind you of your supply sarge days! :shock: ) for yourself and for the rest of us. Enthusiasm, some organizational skills, lots of time, thick skin, and a big fat wallet are essential characteristics of the GMTK collector.

You're off to a great start.

The highlights of your kit are the neon highlighters! :P

Seriously, the highlights of your kit are the ratty ignition set with the FSN marked wrenches (I think I may have seen that before!! :D ), brand-matching pipe wrenches, brand-matching dwarf offset DBEs, the tin snips, the putty knife, a Utica theme running through many of your pliers, the "U.S." mark on the Crestoloy, a good brand-matching start on your long 15* angle pattern DBEs, and the fact that the near-complete 1/2-inch drive set is nearly all brand matching and New Britain made, and that you already have an L-handle and the breaker bar featured in the RAPD photo (which you can keep or use as trade fodder for a New Britain made breaker bar if you want it to match). I'm sure I missed something.

Some of the other pieces (correct but shiny vs dull finish wire gauge, unmarked pry bar, unmarked stubby screwdriver) are very decent stand-ins for now. And you have room to grow with the adjustable and the hammers if you want to eventually brand match them.

I'll let others comment on the questionable suspects and the not-quite-rights, because if we were sending someone out to immediately piss people off with picayune comments about relatively innocuous details, it would be me! :lol:
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:10 pm

Wingnutt wrote:
Hartofoak wrote:Can I be the first to welcome you to this peculiar pastime we share! ...[ ]... We have moved from a hobby based on a lot of speculation to one based upon a deep knowledge of the field.
Very well said, as usual, from our elder statesman!

Steve,

I'll let others comment on the questionable suspects and the not-quite-rights, because if we were sending someone out to immediately piss people off with picayune comments about relatively innocuous details, it would be me! :lol:
Wingnutt,

Thanks for the comments! I'm looking forward to the feedback on the "questionable suspects and the not-quite-rights." Bottom line up front (BLUF), here's what I know is questionable:
- red tail file. Will post a closeup in the File thread.
- Irwin 41-S-1076 marked on shank...topic of debate.
- Irwin 41-S-1385 marked Irwin/USofA on shank...topic of debate.
- Proto pliers, as mentioned when posted.

I'm curious what the board will say about the following:
- Craftsman midget set, all circle H (H) marked (except the cross bar, which has no markings)
- DOE engineer wrenches (I also have an Arcturus 41-W-1008-10) which I failed to include in the pic above. Makes this "set," so far, a mish-mash of brands, which I will want to correct over time, regardless of the feedback on good/no good for the P&C/Herbrand wrenches shown above.

I'm looking for:
- Williams 12" crescent wrench 41-W-488
- Williams long DBE, either 4019B or 7029B 41-W-603
- Husky 1/2" drive sockets:
- 9/16 41-W-3009
- 13/16 41-W-3021
- 15/16 41-W-3025
- 1 1/16 41-W-3029
- Screwdrivers:
- 41-S-1078 SCREWDRIVER, common, heavy duty, integral handle, type III, Class B, length of blade 10"
- 41-S-1225 SCREWDRIVER, electricians', shock proof handle, type I, length 2 1/2"
- 41-S-1228 SCREWDRIVER, electricians', shock proof handle, type I, length 5 1/2"
- 41-S-1400 SCREWDRIVER, machinists', offset type VI
- 41-S-1638 SCREWDRIVER, recessed screw (Phillips type), type I, straight, No. 2, length of blade 4"
- 41-S-1640 SCREWDRIVER, recessed screw (Phillips type), type I, straight, No. 3, length of blade 6"
- Chisels and Punches. I've been reading up on them here on the Gee, and am hoping to pick up a few at the flea. We'll see :)

Steve

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Post by henry501 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:58 pm

Steve,

One word... welcome!

Thanks,
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Post by pjones » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:17 pm

Steve,
Its always great to welcome new guys, welcome Steve!. As much as we love these kits we think everyone should put together a kit and some of us, without mentioning names, have multiple sets. Once you start you just can't quit. You've been warned! As you've seen from the various sets posted here there are so many different ways to put a set together, by year, by brand, by color scheme, with or without extras, by date codes, hybrid sets, etc. I can't tell you how much fun I've had finding pieces, trading with these guys, and digging through tools at the flea market. I've also really enjoyed helping guys all over the world find pieces for their sets. But no doubt, the best part has been getting to know the other guys here who love it as much or more than I do.

I'm partial to the SNL N-19 for the same reason as you, my GPW is a '42 as well. I like mixed brands. For example I like 1/2" sockets to be of different brands. Same goes for the midget set and DOEs among others. I believe shortly after the set was assigned to a mechanic as pieces were lost or "borrowed" sockets and wrenches quickly became mixed. The wynmkr set supports this as well. It even had duplicates of pieces. But again, thats the great part, you can do it so many different ways. Just have fun with it.

As an aside, and I have no idea why, the OTC bar is by far my favorite GMTK piece so I'm glad to see it in your set. Every chance you get at the flea market buy chisels, punches and allen wrenches. these are the least fun to put together. If you wait to put them together at the end it can almost be burdensome. That one file handle you have looks a lot like something you would find here in East Tennessee! :lol:

Great start to your set Steve. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress.

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by mudbox » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:41 pm

Hi Steve! Welcome to your new life as a flea market junkie! :lol: :lol:
Really nice start to your MVMTS!
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't think the file handle on the flat file is up to spec... :? :lol: :lol:

I like the bold choices on some the pieces. The Craftsman set is a great start to a midget set and certainly unique. Is it a set of BE or (H)? I might have one or two sockets if you're missing some. Though, they may be none better... I'll have to check. Pretty sure I have some None Better in 1/2" drive too...

I really like the P&C engineer's wrench. I've started trying to snap up more and more of the P&C goodness whenever I find it and the Herbrand is a good choice as well as the Arcturus.

The 8" Proto slip joints... yeah, you already know... :oops: :P
I'm still looking for an Alloy Steel <W> Williams long pattern DBE in 3/4" & 11/16" myself, so I'll be no help there... lemme know if you find 2 of them!

The only thing that really sticks out to me is the oiler, which is not the right type. Keep checking the flea, one will show up. Carry your tape measure with you and you'll eventually nail down the oiler and the pesky chisels and punches... :evil:

Again, fantastic start! Half of the fun is the thrill of the hunt and the other half is filling in those holes. I hope to see fewer and fewer neon highlighters and sharpies in the weeks to come!

Happy hunting!

-Jason

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:27 am

Henry, Jason and Phil, thanks for the welcome! It helps when you're the "newbie" and still learning by trial and error.

Jason, the Black Diamond file is an 8", so it's out of the box, as well as the Proto pliers and the oil can.

My discard box (a .50 cal ammo can) is growing too fast...the more I learn, the more I find there is to learn! The amount of detail required to get spec correct, AND era correct tools is staggering. That makes Wingnutt's Whiz and a tape measure even more essential, but increases my respect for those of you who've been at this a while!

Steve

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:36 am

Can anyone clarify the manufacture date on my Blue Point XS-2024 (41-W-625)?
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Rear of Blue Point wrench
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Front of BP wrench
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I found this chart which is supposed to decode the Snap-On manufacture dates, but I don't see it on my wrench:
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by USAFpj » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:26 am

Can anyone clarify the manufacture date on my Blue Point XS-2024
We'll see if Tin Medic will be along sometime today- he should have an answer. :wink:

According to AA, the XS-2024 was first offered in 1928.

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Tin Medic » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:31 am

How big are the actual stampings? It is hard to judge from the close-up pic.
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Tin Medic » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:44 am

From what I can tell none of those markings are the date code. The '1' is to big, the font on the '2' isn't correct, the only possibility would be the 3rd marking and I haven't been able to match it up yet. My guess is there is another mark somewhere that may by covered by pitting or damage.
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Tin Medic » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:10 pm

The best option is to send it to me so I can examine it closely. :D
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