Early Bird Gets the Worms

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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:32 am

mudbox wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:09 am
Didn't I trade a Williams B-51 ratchet to you a while back?
Yes, dammit! :? :evil: Where were you with this little reminder yesterday when I needed it?! :lol:

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Oh well, one of them - leaning toward yours with the red paint - will be trade fodder or garage sale material.
mudbox wrote:Why don't you think the Forsberg saw is wartime?
Just my gut. We haven't seen one shaped like that in any period reference as far as I can recall, and it just doesn't seem likely that this style and Forsberg's straight wood-handled model would be contemporary to each other.
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Post by Wingnutt » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:20 am

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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by lucakiki » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:59 am

Wingnutt wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:49 am
Here's my Early Bird haul this morning.

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Greg,I particularly like that speeder handle combined with the multisocket concept. Any info on the brand?
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43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:24 pm

Hi Luca,

I really like it too! It's a Blackhawk. They marketed them as rim wrenches, but I don't see why it wouldn't be used on any fastener it fits. They made these in the Quick Disconnect (Q.D.) "black satin" finish era, though, from the 20's through the 30's. It was discontinued by 1939.

Here's a vintage ad!

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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Gordon_M » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:48 pm

Rim Wrench is the same sort of function as the British TIPCO "Whirlnut" I found a while back, now under the seat of my TD 20 Dodge.

I have one of those williams Multisockets too, not looked at it for ages as I think it came with a lot of other stuff and I've never seen it in military use, but if you find it was ever issued by Uncle Sam ...

( Got any plans for that small Plomb Offset DBE you pictured ? )
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:42 pm

Gordon_M wrote:
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I have one of those williams Multisockets too, not looked at it for ages as I think it came with a lot of other stuff and I've never seen it in military use, but if you find it was ever issued by Uncle Sam ...
I'll report back if I do. I have a feeling it was discontinued for the duration in their commercial catalogs due to L-216, which makes me think it was probably in the same category as all the tools the government thought was redundant. It seems counter-intuitive, but if you think about it, technically, it was redundant to 1/2-inch drive handles and those eight (8) particular sockets. As clever and handy as it is, from a steel-saving perspective, it was redundant.
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( Got any plans for that small Plomb Offset DBE you pictured ? )
Already spoken for, sorry.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Gordon_M » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:35 pm

Wingnutt wrote:
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I'll report back if I do. I have a feeling it was discontinued for the duration in their commercial catalogs due to L-216

I was thinking there were two distinct possibilities for it being "discontinued for the duration" It could be that it was not robust enough - and I think you could break it fairly easily - or it could have been discontinued to the general public as production was reserved for Uncle Sam. I'd much rather have a socket set for vehicular use, but for lighter duty use on buildings and light equipment it would be quite handy.
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( Got any plans for ... )
Already spoken for, sorry.
Not a problem, my wallet breathes a sigh of relief ...
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:08 pm

Gordon_M wrote:
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I was thinking there were two distinct possibilities for it being "discontinued for the duration" It could be that it was not robust enough - and I think you could break it fairly easily - or it could have been discontinued to the general public as production was reserved for Uncle Sam.
I traced every single instance of a tool being struck or discontinued in the Plomb 19-R catalog to a specific limitation in L-216. I have not done the same thing in the 1943 Williams, but my hunch is the same.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Gordon_M » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:34 am

Wingnutt wrote:
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I traced every single instance of a tool being struck or discontinued in the Plomb 19-R catalog to a specific limitation in L-216. I have not done the same thing in the 1943 Williams, but my hunch is the same.
The one I noticed in the Plomb catalogue was the striking of the big toolbox, as found on the deck of the WLF and Kenworth wreckers?
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:46 am

My early bird haul…

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After clean-up:

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The battery pliers are for my growing vintage K-D collection.

The long 15* angle pattern DBE is a Duro-Chrome 2014A (11/16 x 3/4) with a “G” code (1945)!

The 3/8-inch drive swivel socket on the far left had so much crud on it I didn’t even know what it was for sure. It’s a Plomb WF-78 (3/4").

The 2” extension is also a 3/8-inch drive Plomb 5260. Any 3/8-inch drive stuff is few and far between in my neck of the woods, and I hardly ever see it in Plomb, so I was elated with these finds.

The 1/2-inch drive male-to-female uni joints are a Snap-On (1940 code) and unbranded.

The 1/2-inch drive socket is a wartime Walden-Worcester 1816 (1/2”).

The little adapter is a 1/2-inch male to 3/8-inch female Duro-Chrome model number 482 with a “G” (1945) code.

The Navy pea coat is authentic military issue, 1953 stock number. The most amazing thing is the size: 46R. If you collect WWII/KW stuff to wear for yourself (i.e., “Ike” jackets, etc), you know that it’s almost impossible to find large sizes. I was thrilled.

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Post by Wingnutt » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:52 pm

Today's Early Bird buys

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Unknown welding ground clamps, Cornwell 3/8-drive extension, unmarked 1/2-inch drive namesake socket (HAHA!), Herbrand VAN-CHROME 1/2-inch drive 1-1/8" (136) socket, unbranded (but without a doubt Vlchek) Chrome-Moly tappet wrench #90 (1/2 x 7/16) - I have a decent set of these going now, BONNEY ignition file, a GMTK-correct wartime Duro-Chrome G 2042 (1/2 x 9/16) double offset DBE dwarfie wrench, and a solo Star 1224 hard hacksaw blade.

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If anyone knows anything about the markings on these bronze welding ground clamps, please let me know. A "=[K]=" logo and "10134-2" on the clamp. A "9865" and a "(M)" on the tee-bolt handle. They look vintage to me.

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Post by Wingnutt » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:08 pm

Here’s my flea market haul from this morning…

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Williams S-10P brace-type speeder
MUSTANG MS-85 (New Britain-made) speeder
Blackhawk 9230 obstruction offset handle (1930’s)
Another Mossberg 41-B-309 10” extension bar.
Plomb-made (Circle-U) Craftsman 5” extension
A couple of copper-coated/plated sockets! (antique era)
Plomb WF-53 1-1/6”
Blackhawk O18 (4-point) 9/16”
Wartime Craftsman CI 7/8 x 13/16 dble offset DBE
Pre-war Hinsdale 7/8 x 13/16 dble offset DBE
Pre-war Herbrand VAN-CHROME “MULTIHEX” No. 3729A 25/32 x 3/4
Armstrong 731-A and a Williams <W> USA Special Alloy Tappet A90D
Coupe of K-D pieces for my growing K-D collection
Craftsman No. 4 steel rule (post-war)
Ignition pliers marked Chrome Alloy Forgings looking very much like a JP Danielson
The Navy grey steel box is filled with machinists’ things and marked “NAVY TYPE 10527” on the lid. More on that tomorrow.
Last but definitely not least, a 1942 dated 14” WALCO wrench

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Post by Wingnutt » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:14 am

I know I said I'd get some close-up photos posted fro yesterday's haul but it will have to wait a little longer.

Here are today’s flea market finds.

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The folding 24” rule is brass, L.S.S. (Starrett), with 8ths on one side and 16ths on the flip side.

The old school single end tappet wrench, which is unbranded, is going to go into my little collection of tools from the functionally marked tools era.

The midget ratchet is a postwar (thanks for the reminder, mud) Bonney V25 and the midget hinged, spinner and extension combo handle, is only marked 2850 MADE IN U.S.A.. I know I've seen this before, but I'm drawing a blank. I’m pretty sure it’s the Indestro version of the Duro-Chrome tool, which has a 4xxx number IIRC. Someone please save me 20 minutes of searching if you know what this is. I know I'm going to band my forehead when someone replies. It is a really nifty well-made tool. And I was glad it came with the tommy bar!!!! :D

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Post by Gordon_M » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:44 pm

...the midget hinged, spinner and extension combo handle ...
I saw that and immediately thought Duro-Chrome as they were the only suppliers I knew that supplied a ratchet with a female drive that would go right on the top of that male square drive.
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Re: Early Bird Gets the Worms

Post by Wingnutt » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:21 pm

Here's that pipe wrench from Saturday, a Walworth WALCO 14" with a replaceable jaw insert and a 1942 date code.

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I happen to have a WALCO 6", also with a 1942 date code. And, even though it's not in the GMTK, an 8", also with a 1942 date code.

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