I've seen a bunch of General tools here in the UK Jason, but mostly stuff like plate gauges for drill and wire sizes, stuff like that. When I mentioned those three suppliers I was thinking more about micrometers, but I have noted before smaller suppliers like Reed Small Tool Works also made miss that match the tool set images.mudbox wrote:What about General, weren't they making machinist tools at the time as well? And they have some documented provenance in some of the TMs as wellGordon_M wrote:I regard, Starrett, B&S, and Lufkin as functionally interchangeable for all this stuff...
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[quote="Gordon_M"]Not required in the contents list, but too nice to pass up. Lufkin 513, 0 - 3" depth micrometer, with original box and wrench. Latest patent dates from the mid '20s and covers the lock ring arrangement near the base.
It may (or may not) interest you to know that the Lufkin 513 is the depth gauge specified for the Armorer's "Small Gage Kit" that carries all the gauges for testing small arms on my WC-41 and used at Depot level small arms maintenance. So it does have a use if you were collecting one of those kits.
It may (or may not) interest you to know that the Lufkin 513 is the depth gauge specified for the Armorer's "Small Gage Kit" that carries all the gauges for testing small arms on my WC-41 and used at Depot level small arms maintenance. So it does have a use if you were collecting one of those kits.
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Gordon_M wrote:Not required in the contents list, but too nice to pass up. Lufkin 513, 0 - 3" depth micrometer, with original box and wrench. Latest patent dates from the mid '20s and covers the lock ring arrangement near the base.
daveus6 wrote:It may (or may not) interest you to know that the Lufkin 513 is the depth gauge specified for the Armorer's "Small Gage Kit" that carries all the gauges for testing small arms on my WC-41 and used at Depot level small arms maintenance. So it does have a use if you were collecting one of those kits.
Like the depth gauge, these also belonged to particular kits. One (1) pair of "V" blocks, with clamps, double-grooved, 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" x 1-5/8", 1-inch capacity (41-B-1465), were included in the common unit-level tool-set (41-T-3549) issued to each 5th Echelon depot, and one (1) pair were also included in the common unit-level tool-set (41-T-3361-250) issued to each Armored Force maintenance battalion and platoon. Like all the other upper echelon tools that machinists might have used, but, which were not actually purchased in numbers to issue to every machinist in the Army, it was commonly available to ALL the machinists and to the other specialists at 5th Echelon depots and Armored Force maintenance Bn's and Plt's, to be checked out and checked in to the tool truck or room, as needed, per task. If they were found in someone's personal box, I am sure that a lot of other machinists wouldn't have been too happy about it when they needed them. Like every garage I ever worked in.Gordon_M wrote:Engineers "V" blocks and clamps
EDIT: A different collection approach would be to put a display together of various tools a machinist would use to perform a few jobs, temporarily, regardless of which tool-sets the tools belonged to. A sort of 'hour-in-the-life-of' kind of thing. You could have the correct machinists' kit in its box as a center piece of such a display, and then around it, various tools he would've checked out of the tool room - such as your "V" blocks, a center protractor, a tap and die set, thread files, inside mic, etc. That would be nifty!
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Hi Don,d42jeep wrote:Due to popular demand, I am including a couple of extra items in my set. Now I can relax, knowing that my precision measuring devices are well protected.
I was going through the April 1945 edition of TM 9-867, Care and Maintenance of Hand Tools, this morning, for a different purpose (some research), and I noticed the following statements, in Section VII, Calipers:
In the General Maintenance section: "Keep in case or wrap in soft cloth when not in use." p.29
In the Misuses section: "Keep micrometers in a covered box on the job and wipe anvil and spindle clean with a soft, slightly oiled rag each time after using and before returning them to their places in the box." p.31
In the Storage section: "Wrap in greaseproof wrapping and enclose in a covered box." p.32
Whether or not the 41-B-1840 assigned to each machinist also assigned a 0-1 mic would be considered acceptable as the "covered box" if the mic was wrapped in a clean dry soft cloth remains debatable, in my opinion. But, note that a RAPD figure (87245) on p.32 does show a single micrometer being put away in a wooden box.
So, while the ORD 6 SNL G-27 may not include a wooden box in its nomenclature for the micrometer, as it does for other precision instruments, you do have the TM 9-867 on your side!
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Wingnutt,
Thanks for letting me know. Now when the tool police stop by, I won't have to hide the boxes. I'm still a little worried about Steve though.
-Don
Thanks for letting me know. Now when the tool police stop by, I won't have to hide the boxes. I'm still a little worried about Steve though.
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I ran across a Starrett 473 thread pitch gauge at the Tahoe flea yesterday, and since I hadn't seen one in person before I thought I would pick it up and add it to the Machinist's set. I guess you can't have too many thread pitch gauges, right?
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Assuming it is in good condition and the price is right, no you can't
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Don,
Nice find! Welcome to the "473 club".
Thank you,
Henry
Nice find! Welcome to the "473 club".
Thank you,
Henry
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Thanks, guys. Henry, any chance of seeing a picture of yours? I'm sure that we would all like to see a progress report of how your and Gordon's sets are coming along.
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My set is moving right along, but isn't there yet.
I've only been able to find a 24" folding rule. and a Starrett 472 gauge set ( wrong thread angle, stuff like that ) Wingnutt is holding some bits and pieces, Mudbox has sent me a top tray for the box that Saddletramp let me have, stuff like that.
I think this is the list of stuff that is still missing, some of which I think WIngnutt is holding ( lost track a little );
38-C-300 File Cleaner with Pick
41-C-1052 Cape Chisel 1/4” cut
41-C-1099 1/4" Cold Chisel
41-C-1106 1/2" Cold Chisel
41-C-1140 1" Cold Chisel
41-C-1104 3/8" Diamond Chisel 6” x 3/8”
41-F-863 12” File 12" Flat Bastard
41-F-886 10" File Flat Smooth
41-F-1183 10" File Mill Smooth
41-F-1304 8" File, Round Bastard
41-F-1331 8" File, Round Smooth
37-G-3455 Goggles, Chippers, eyecup with clear lenses
41-R-2750 Rule, blacksmiths', steel, folding, length 36", 3 folds
On the plus side I have added some additional appropriate stuff that I ran across:
41-B-1640 Box, Midget Set, ¼” Drive
41-C-xx Caliper Outside Firm Joint 4”
41-C-xx Caliper Hermaphrodite Firm Joint 4”
41-C-1703 Clamp, Light Service, 4”
41-C-xxxx Clamp, Engineers 2”
41-C- 213 Micrometer, 1”- 2”
41-G-372 Universal Surface Gauge
41-G-435 Gauge, Drill & Rod
41-L-1215 Level, Pocket
41-S-xxxx Screwdriver, Offset, Ratchet
41-T-219 Tape, Measuring, 100ft
41-T-xxx Tape, Measuring, 33ft
41-W-599 Wrench, Double Box End, 7/16” x1/2”
41-W-1650 Wrench, Pipe, Type 1, Normal Duty, 6”
... but a quest to find period-correct American engineers blue ( Dykem? ) has gone nowhere and that should absolutely be in that set, listed or not.
If I had to list the top three things I needed it would be the trifold rule, goggles, and appropriate engineers blue, everything else should be obtainable in normal trades and auction stuff.
I've only been able to find a 24" folding rule. and a Starrett 472 gauge set ( wrong thread angle, stuff like that ) Wingnutt is holding some bits and pieces, Mudbox has sent me a top tray for the box that Saddletramp let me have, stuff like that.
I think this is the list of stuff that is still missing, some of which I think WIngnutt is holding ( lost track a little );
38-C-300 File Cleaner with Pick
41-C-1052 Cape Chisel 1/4” cut
41-C-1099 1/4" Cold Chisel
41-C-1106 1/2" Cold Chisel
41-C-1140 1" Cold Chisel
41-C-1104 3/8" Diamond Chisel 6” x 3/8”
41-F-863 12” File 12" Flat Bastard
41-F-886 10" File Flat Smooth
41-F-1183 10" File Mill Smooth
41-F-1304 8" File, Round Bastard
41-F-1331 8" File, Round Smooth
37-G-3455 Goggles, Chippers, eyecup with clear lenses
41-R-2750 Rule, blacksmiths', steel, folding, length 36", 3 folds
On the plus side I have added some additional appropriate stuff that I ran across:
41-B-1640 Box, Midget Set, ¼” Drive
41-C-xx Caliper Outside Firm Joint 4”
41-C-xx Caliper Hermaphrodite Firm Joint 4”
41-C-1703 Clamp, Light Service, 4”
41-C-xxxx Clamp, Engineers 2”
41-C- 213 Micrometer, 1”- 2”
41-G-372 Universal Surface Gauge
41-G-435 Gauge, Drill & Rod
41-L-1215 Level, Pocket
41-S-xxxx Screwdriver, Offset, Ratchet
41-T-219 Tape, Measuring, 100ft
41-T-xxx Tape, Measuring, 33ft
41-W-599 Wrench, Double Box End, 7/16” x1/2”
41-W-1650 Wrench, Pipe, Type 1, Normal Duty, 6”
... but a quest to find period-correct American engineers blue ( Dykem? ) has gone nowhere and that should absolutely be in that set, listed or not.
If I had to list the top three things I needed it would be the trifold rule, goggles, and appropriate engineers blue, everything else should be obtainable in normal trades and auction stuff.
Gordon
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Still a couple of specific items to find
Wingnutt will have a box on the way to me soon which will pretty much finish up my machinists set, now that I have a suitable box to put it all in.
However, there are two items specific to this set that I cannot find on this side of the pond, so if anyone has spares of these items - and is willing to post to Scotland - please let me know;
37-G-3455 Goggles, Chippers, eyecup with clear lenses
41-R-2750 Rule, blacksmiths', steel, folding, length 36", 3 folds
However, there are two items specific to this set that I cannot find on this side of the pond, so if anyone has spares of these items - and is willing to post to Scotland - please let me know;
37-G-3455 Goggles, Chippers, eyecup with clear lenses
41-R-2750 Rule, blacksmiths', steel, folding, length 36", 3 folds
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Gordon,
I have been looking for another of those General folding yardsticks ever since I found the one that I have, but have not run across anything even close. I have an ongoing eBay search and will let you know if one pops up!
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I have been looking for another of those General folding yardsticks ever since I found the one that I have, but have not run across anything even close. I have an ongoing eBay search and will let you know if one pops up!
-Don
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Thanks Don, keep me posted please.
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Goggles turned up, last difficult item is;
41-R-2750 Rule, blacksmiths', steel, folding, length 36", 3 folds
... in all the time I've been looking I've only seen one that exactly matched the spec, and I should have bought it, but didn't - because it was made in England. It looked like an exact copy of the General one. I tried to find the ad again to copy the image, but even the ad had gone.
( while I'm here, anyone got any old American hacksaw blades? I didn't prioritise them for this set, and I can get them from that auction site, but as usual the price plus postage is pretty frightening. I could do with a half dozen or so to put a couple each in my Machinists Set, GMTK approximation, and the Proto box )
41-R-2750 Rule, blacksmiths', steel, folding, length 36", 3 folds
... in all the time I've been looking I've only seen one that exactly matched the spec, and I should have bought it, but didn't - because it was made in England. It looked like an exact copy of the General one. I tried to find the ad again to copy the image, but even the ad had gone.
( while I'm here, anyone got any old American hacksaw blades? I didn't prioritise them for this set, and I can get them from that auction site, but as usual the price plus postage is pretty frightening. I could do with a half dozen or so to put a couple each in my Machinists Set, GMTK approximation, and the Proto box )
Gordon
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Saw these for sale on the auction site, so added a set to my box;
Gordon
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