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PLOMB progress, questions, & stuff needed

Post by Gordon_M » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:56 am

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I'm getting on quite well with filling the McAleer box, still got to change the colour to a better shade of green though. Primarily Plomb, Krauter, and Crescent in the top tray.

The 1/2' square drive set is complete from 1 3/16" down, including 19/32 and 25/32 which took a bit of finding, and so, technically, is the midget set;
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... but I have a question. There is room in that box for a 4712S, ( 3/8" ) 8-point socket. The 4712S does not appear in the pre-war PLOMB catalogues, but does appear in the post-war PROTO catalogue. Can anyone tell me if PLOMB made a 4712S, prior to the PROTO name change? I'm also working on the 3/8" CUB socket set and the combination wrench set which are both moving on nicely towards completion.

Which leads to the PLOMB 'stuff needed' section. I'm looking for a 4712S, as above, and I'd like a 1/4" breaker bar too. ( I have a couple of the NOS 9/32" breakers and resisting the temptation to do a little grinding ) There has been a 1/4" PLOMB breaker on the auction site for a while, and if you see the price you can work out why it is still there ... :o

I also have very little in the way of DBE ( 1126 ) and DOE ( 3051, 3026 ) so if anyone has several PLOMB DBE, DOE, or a mixture to sell I might be interested, as buying them from the auction site one at a time costs a fortune, with postage / packing typically several times the wrench price.
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Re: PLOMB progress, questions, & stuff needed

Post by Jim Moore » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:47 am

Don't know if this will help but my 1944 catalog shows a 4712 socket in a set #4700A that has 9 sockets, a sliding T and a screwdriver handle. The 4700B set has the ratchet included in the same set.

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Post by Gordon_M » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:51 am

Thanks Jim.

The 4712 socket is a standard socket, but the S in 4712S means it is a special - in this case an eight-point socket. I know they made one when they became Proto, post WW2, just don't know if a WW2 period 4712S exists.

thanks for the thought.
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Post by Jim Moore » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:27 am

This catalog only list the 1/4" and 5/16" in the hex and 8 point. The 3/8" 8 point does not show up in the 1944 War Time Price List either.
So may be they did not make one.
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Post by Gordon_M » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:44 am

Got it this time Jim, I didn't realise that was the 1944 Price List. So not before 1944 then, probably unlikely in 1945 I'd guess.

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This turned up today

Post by Gordon_M » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:39 pm

Latest auction purchase here in the UK.

A wartime PLOMB 4056 Puller with 4071 3-way hub and standard 4056J jaws.
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Cleaned up nicely, but about four turns of the threaded rod are slightly damaged so I will need to run a die nut down it.

Anyone have the 4061 2-way hub, and 4066 or 4056L jaws?
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Re: PLOMB progress, questions, & stuff needed

Post by Saddle Tramp » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:12 pm

Hi Gordon,

Afraid I'm not selling any of my Plomb tools at the moment.
I am away from home today, but if you look at some of my earlier posts, there are some about my 1/4" set.
Might be of some help

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Re: PLOMB progress, questions, & stuff needed

Post by Gordon_M » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:50 am

Hi Tim, I think the only individual part I'm searching for is the WF-6 drive handle, 9/32" and I know I'm not the only one looking for that item :D

I noticed in the catalogue that the slide hammer and puller share two & three jaw parts, hubs, and the like, so I thought I might like to collect a few more contemporary puller / slide hammer parts. Of course then I'll have to start looking for a box, and ... and ...

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Post by Tin Medic » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:04 pm

Gordon_M wrote:I think the only individual part I'm searching for is the WF-6 drive handle, 9/32" and I know I'm not the only one looking for that item
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Post by Gordon_M » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:33 pm

Puller now refinished. I had to clean up the 9/16" NC thread quite a lot on the last 4"
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The three-leg adapter plate thread is in good order, but the last couple of inches of the main thread is worn to the point that I decided to add a 9/16" hex nut underneath the adapter plate as extra reinforcement.
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Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:34 pm

Gordon:
The 1940 PLOMB catalog does list the 4708S and 4710S..... but not the 4712S.
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Post by Gordon_M » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:16 am

Thanks Chuck.

Starting to gather puller and slide hammer stuff now, heading for second echelon

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Post by Gordon_M » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:22 am

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Latest addition, a Plomb 4041 Battery Terminal and Small Gear Puller. Jaws go to 1 7/16" fully open and 1/4" fully shut, though the parallel shaft above the thread will only push the jaws in to 7/8" The whole thing it is really quite small, and unusually for a Plomb puller the jaws are riveted in so you can't swap them out or reverse them for other work.

The puller itself has wartime finish and PLOMB MADE IN USA which normally means WW2 period ( pre-WW2 the marking was usually PLOMB LOS ANGELES ) The 4041 number doesn't appear in my Plomb catalogue copies but does appear in the first of the PROTO catalogues as an identical item under that brand name.
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Yet more Plomb

Post by Gordon_M » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:13 am

I've been told that Plomb made many tools that never appeared in their catalogues. There was contract-specific stuff like Wright Field ( WF ) Pratt & Whitney Aircraft ( PWA ) and Fairchild Aviation ( Ranger AT ) but those always had contract-specific markings, and many were based on catalogue items - basically just catalogue items with the extra contract identifiers. There were many Whitworth wrenches, identified by the W markings, that were never in the catalogues too - British supply maybe?

Then there is stuff like this;
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... an unremarkable 5/8" and 19/32" double open end wrench. WW2 from the markings and finish, almost certainly so since it was auctioned here in the UK. The back face is completely plain, and that size combination does not appear in any of my Plomb or Proto catalogs, pre- during, or post-war. The 19/32" end suggests military too, but does anyone have a government spec for that size combination - anyone else have one of these?


Moving on. Saw something else on the auction site which is worth a mention, four breaker bars, one of them interesting;
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The bar out of shot at the top is a plain 1/2" breaker. Second from top is a Wright Field WF-20 3/8" breaker, bottom is a Wright Field WF-7 9/32" breaker, but it is the one second from bottom that caught my eye.

The second from bottom is marked as a Wright Field WF-7 9/32" breaker, but it looks like it has been made from altered components that were already available. Note that the body is larger / longer that the ordinary WF-7 immediately below it, but not as long as the only other standard size, the 3/8" WF-20 above it, and the drive end looks to have started as 3/8" and been forged or machined down. I've got four or five WF-7 here and they are all the same as the standard unit shown at the bottom.

Thoughts?
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Post by Wingnutt » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:52 am

Gordon_M wrote:... an unremarkable 5/8" and 19/32" double open end wrench.
Unremarkable? This wrench does not exist on any industry standard chart I know of. I have an old one that has columns for SAE, hex cap, USS, etc, as well as milled openings, and columns for Armstrong, Williams, and Herbrand (early industry though leaders) model numbers. There is no ISN for this wrench. The only wrenches in the vicinity with 19/32nds openings were ISN 25 (x 1/2), ISN 27 (x 11/16), and ISN 28 (x 25/32). The only wrenches in the vicinity paired with 5/8ths were ISN 726 (x 1/2), ISN 727 (x 9/16) and our ISN 28-S (x 25/32). It does not appear in Blue-Point, Bonney, Duro, Herbrand, or Williams catalogs that I checked. And no DOE engineers wrench with those sizes is listed in the March 1945 ORD 5 SNL J-2 (US Army Ordnance Supply Catalog covering all wrenches, regardless of application). It does not appear in the US Navy ASO catalog Class 41, either. (But the DOE engineers wrenches list is very scant.)

i agree that it looks to be wartime vintage.

It is probably a very special order contract wrench.
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