1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:38 am

Tin Medic wrote:The best option is to send it to me so I can examine it closely. :D
Perhaps we can arrange a trade, otherwise, "that dog just don't hunt!" :lol:
Tin Medic wrote:From what I can tell none of those markings are the date code. The '1' is to big, the font on the '2' isn't correct, the only possibility would be the 3rd marking and I haven't been able to match it up yet. My guess is there is another mark somewhere that may by covered by pitting or damage.
I'm not sure if this is a blessing or a curse...I don't see any other markings on the wrench besides the ones posted. I'll put up a pic of both sides in a few minutes, and try to get one with the ruler as well. The 1 is 1/4" high and the 29 is 1/8" high.

Thanks for the assistance!
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:15 am

Pics as promised, but it took a bit longer than I'd expected...
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Tin Medic » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:53 am

I measured a bunch of random SO markings and the sizes seem to vary from 2.5-4 mm or .098 - .16
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:28 am

Tin Medic wrote:I measured a bunch of random SO markings and the sizes seem to vary from 2.5-4 mm or .098 - .16
Go figure, that at 0.1875" and 0.25", my wrench is outside the norms established by the Gee's SO expert. If it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all...

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Tin Medic » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:09 am

Maybe we will re-write the norms. Again, this is just a sampling of what I own, so I wouldn't call these a solid set of parameters.
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by d42jeep » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:52 am

gpw_42 wrote:
Wingnutt wrote:
Hartofoak wrote:Can I be the first to welcome you to this peculiar pastime we share! ...[ ]... We have moved from a hobby based on a lot of speculation to one based upon a deep knowledge of the field.
Very well said, as usual, from our elder statesman!

Steve,

I'll let others comment on the questionable suspects and the not-quite-rights, because if we were sending someone out to immediately piss people off with picayune comments about relatively innocuous details, it would be me! :lol:
Wingnutt,

Thanks for the comments! I'm looking forward to the feedback on the "questionable suspects and the not-quite-rights." Bottom line up front (BLUF), here's what I know is questionable:
- red tail file. Will post a closeup in the File thread.
- Irwin 41-S-1076 marked on shank...topic of debate.
- Irwin 41-S-1385 marked Irwin/USofA on shank...topic of debate.
- Proto pliers, as mentioned when posted.

I'm curious what the board will say about the following:
- Craftsman midget set, all circle H (H) marked (except the cross bar, which has no markings)
- DOE engineer wrenches (I also have an Arcturus 41-W-1008-10) which I failed to include in the pic above. Makes this "set," so far, a mish-mash of brands, which I will want to correct over time, regardless of the feedback on good/no good for the P&C/Herbrand wrenches shown above.

I'm looking for:
- Williams 12" crescent wrench 41-W-488

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Hi Steve,
I've been doing some upgrades to my hybrid set for sale and I have this 41-W-488 Williams adjustable available if you still need one.
-Don
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:18 am

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Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:08 am
Tools in my kit are listed in parenthesis following the item description:
Edited to save space. I keep the list on page 1 updated as much as I can.
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by d42jeep » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:54 pm

Steve,
Is the list immediately above current? I might have a few of the missing items available. Are you holding out for a Husky u-joint or would another brand do?
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:38 pm

d42jeep wrote:
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Steve,
Is the list immediately above current? I might have a few of the missing items available. Are you holding out for a Husky u-joint or would another brand do?
-Don
Don,

Yes, the list is current - the bold entries are the shortages (I have 3/16 and 5/16 hex keys, but they're marked). I suppose if I were really tricky, I'd figure out what a WW2 era Shortage Annex and/or Statement of Charges (for missing/lost tools) looked like, and put that in the box and call it good. I'd rather hunt down the remaining few tools.

I'm willing to discuss non-Husky u-joints. I've found 2 Husky u-joints, and have one, which turned out to be chromed. Eventually, I'd like to have all Husky, but that's a little pie-in-the-sky at this stage.

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:40 pm

Had a good day today at the flea, adding a couple items to my MVMTS, and adding a potential improvement.
- Stevens-Walden 1/4" dr. socket (partial) set
- Kearny & Foot three-square 8" file
- Kearny & Foot half-round 6" file
- Simonds Red Tail points file, which will go in the Stevens kit
- 1939 Blue Point XD-1214 (or -1241?) 3/8" x 7/16" LDBE
- Indestro female hex ratchet (no plug...).
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Today seemed to be Indestro day at the flea, it was all over the place. I knew to avoid the Indestro Select, but just couldn't pass up the hex ratchet.

Any suggestions on how to stabilize the Stevens box, w/o removing more of the green paint? I wiped it down with WD-40, but I think it'll need something more. I'm still working through Don's 1/4" drive thread, trying to sort out which of my sockets are correct, and what condition they're in. All seem to be black, but I'm not sure if that's a finish or combo of rust and dirt. Wiped down with WD, but am not sure yet what I'm dealing with. Some have hashmarks around the circumference and Walden-Worchester, and others have graved lines and WALDEN. Like I said, still sorting. Will need to get the spinner handle, breaker, t-handle, ratchet, 2" & 6" extensions, as well as all 12 point sockets. In the meantime, I have a Husky breaker bar (thanks, Don!) which will be a good stand-in.

Steve

-----Edited to add the shout out to Don on the Husky breaker.

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by Wingnutt » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:23 am

Steve,
Nice find on the Walden midget set! From the pics and your description, it is a very nice example of a late war set. All 6- and 8-point sockets. It's only missing 2 pcs: a hinge handle and a spinner. The dark finish on the sockets is almost certainly black oxide, and it's not at all unusual to find a few different style and marking variations. Late war seems to have been a transition period. If you are that intent on styling your kit to be an MVMTS as it would've looked only in 1942, then yes, you'll need additional handles and a mix of 6-, 12-, and 8-point. Not to diminish the information value of Don's thread, which is replete with Don's and other collectors' examples, but I also recommend consulting page 2 of the Retrospective thread, and especially page 2 of the earlier thread dedicated to the 41-W-2615 1/4-inch set, started by Ozzie, linked here. You'll find more spec information in those.
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Post by d42jeep » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:27 am

Steve,
Here is what the complete late war set probably would have looked like although it may have included a crossbar.
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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:09 pm

Wingnutt and Don, thanks for the feedback!

Over time, I'll likely hunt down the rest of the 1942-era pieces, as I like how well this case fits in my MVMTS top tray, compared to the Craftsman (H) set which is currently in there. Maybe later today I'll post up some pics of the details on the sockets - I've gotten sidetracked with several different things today, which have taken me away from garage time.

I just got off the phone with an old friend. While we were talking, I installed some parts on a different project, and needed strange access to a standard screw. It was SO nice to walk in the garage, pick up an offset screwdriver and do the job, no fuss, no muss. Before I got into this hobby, I'm not even sure that I knew such things existed, much less had 2 in the garage!

This is the first case of its kind which I've found in the wild, which was really cool, especially with so many of the sockets in there! I was stoked to find it on a vendor's table at the flea, and then to pick the other pieces from the same vendor. Same guy had some other pieces which were interesting, for different reasons.
a. Williams LDBE. As I was looking through his stack of LDBEs, I noticed one was a Williams, which piqued my interest because my LDBEs are Williams, and I'm missing a 4019B or 7029B (11/16 x 3/4) to have a brand matching set. As I looked closer and closer, my excitement went through to roof to find details which sounded right, until I saw the final detail...7029. I pulled out my phone to verify that I needed the 7029B and was crestfallen to see what I already knew, that it was SO CLOSE but just not right. Thankfully, I have a Snap-On G code as a stand-in.
b. He had a box under the table which looked like a modern GMTK box, but it wasn't for sale (and was painted red on the inside, but black on the outside. Had 40/MM painted on one end, so....). He wasn't selling, under ANY circumstances.
c. He also had an SK box which was kinda bent and used looking, and missing half the supports to lift the tray. We fiddled with it a little and made the tray halfway operable, but I decided the GORGEOUS SK decal on the inside wasn't worth the box's problems...even at flea prices. Wishing now that I'd taken pics of it!

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Re: 1942 N-19 (Mostly) MVMTS

Post by gpw_42 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:18 pm

Stopped in an antique store: 12" Moore, 8" rat tail (maker TBD) and a 6" tri-square (J&S, or maybe JBS, Made in USA).
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