MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

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MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:41 am

I bought from Kaiser Willys a clutch rod(9 1/4") for my gee.I am surprised when saw it did not fit.Mine is 9 1/4"+1 1/8"=10 1/4".(for CJ-5 66-71) :o **PS:My bellhouse and clutch is for CJ-5.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:59 am

I had 9 1/8" but I suppose overall length vs center-to-center length accounts for that. GPW with all original linkage, etc. intact. The length of the clutch CABLE is also part of this as is the clutch TUBE.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:52 am

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Chuck the rod I bought in Kaiser Willys is 9 1/4" for MB/GPW 41-45.It is 1 1/8" shorter than mine.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:01 am

Fernando....that long one is incorrect! It may be due to a Bubba fix (note the weld in the middle) to accommodate something else that wasn't correct in the linkage system. The Clutch Tube (wrong ear location) comes to mind here and probably more likely, the wrong Clutch Cable length.

However I am unfamiliar with the bellhousing you are using and if you are replacing it with an original MB/GPW one that would tell you more about what is wrong here....
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:02 am

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Chuck Lutz wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:59 am
I had 9 1/8" but I suppose overall length vs center-to-center length accounts for that. GPW with all original linkage, etc. intact. The length of the clutch CABLE is also part of this as is the clutch TUBE.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:27 am

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Chuck Lutz wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:01 am
Fernando....that long one is incorrect! It may be due to a Bubba fix (note the weld in the middle) to accommodate something else that wasn't correct in the linkage system. The Clutch Tube (wrong ear location) comes to mind here and probably more likely, the wrong Clutch Cable length.

However I am unfamiliar with the bellhousing you are using and if you are replacing it with an original MB/GPW one that would tell you more about what is wrong here....
Is there possibility to be incorrect "AG" position part?(Ron Fitzgerald Figure)
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:31 am

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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by tamnalan » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:41 am

That rod is easily made from 1/4" round stock, if you have access to a gas torch. Heat the desired bend points until they are red hot - the rod will then bend easily.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by dpcd67 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:54 am

If you buy your parts from the guy who is paying for you to use this great site (G503) (Ron Fitzpatrick) and get to ask questions for free, then you will receive the correct, high quality parts. When you buy from other vendors, you get what you get.
It always amazes me when guys buy parts from other places and then come here and complain about them.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:08 pm

I am aware that repop "V" tubes were sold with the "ears" welded on at the wrong places.

Fabrizio...install the rod but leave out the cable for a moment...look at the photo and then your set up. Note the position of the ears on both tubes.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:45 pm

In mine case:
*Tube "V" is correct(two ears disaligned of 180 degrees)
Tube "AG" is incorrect ,because the ear is almost parallel to the clutch pedal or it is advanced to the front.I will have to put it 1 1/8" to the rear. :) Thanks guys.Regards.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by GSS » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:19 pm

I suspect that part “F” the woodruff key might be missing and that is what allowed for the AG tube flange to be in the wrong position.....assuming that AG has the flange welded in the correct orientation. Thanks.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:20 am

GSS wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:19 pm
I suspect that part “F” the woodruff key might be missing and that is what allowed for the AG tube flange to be in the wrong position.....assuming that AG has the flange welded in the correct orientation. Thanks.
Ok.Good idea.We will check it.Thanks.Regards.
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:43 am

fernando mendes wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:20 am
GSS wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:19 pm
I suspect that part “F” the woodruff key might be missing and that is what allowed for the AG tube flange to be in the wrong position.....assuming that AG has the flange welded in the correct orientation. Thanks.
Ok.Good idea.We will check it.Thanks.Regards.
When woodruff key is missing who brings "AG" tube(ear) for the front? :?
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Re: MB Clutch rod 9 1/4"?

Post by fernando mendes » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:03 am

fernando mendes wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:43 am
fernando mendes wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:20 am
GSS wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:19 pm
I suspect that part “F” the woodruff key might be missing and that is what allowed for the AG tube flange to be in the wrong position.....assuming that AG has the flange welded in the correct orientation. Thanks.
Ok.Good idea.We will check it.Thanks.Regards.
When woodruff key is missing who brings "AG" tube(ear) for the front? :?
GSS,I was thinking today.If my woodruff key is missing how can the clutch pedal moves its ear?
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