colour... again (MB, Army)

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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by Joe Gopan » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:39 am

My lab used Asbestos flakes to line our cruicibles, asbestos dust from these asbestos flakes was free to roam the room.
Xylene, Carbon Tet, Methylene Chloride was poured out of open containers.
We used Carbon tet to wipe the penetrometer, and got it on our finger tips.
I inspected steel girders during fabrication while lead based primer and finish coats were being applied, X-Rays, too.
Am sure I've had my share of carbon monoxide from a machine shop van while up back with the motor running up front
40 + years later am tested for lead in my blood, lab tests are still no more than if I never worked around it.
Others who were assigned to the lab lived into their 90's
Yes there is a concern, and some hype, also. :wink:
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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by dinof » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:21 am

After WWII, my father sold new & used appliances. He would paint them using lead paint, no respirator, and then he would cup lacquer thinner in his hands and breath the liquid into his nose and blow it back out. :shock: Needless to say, he just plain didn't know since it was 1946. We sold asbestos sheets in the store up on a shelf, when we pulled a sheet off, dust would hit us as we climbed back down the ladder. WE WERE JUST DAM LUCKY WE SURVIVED! :D

Never subject your body to all this stuff......a respirator is cheap compared to your health.
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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by pfnaak » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:59 am

Ben Dover wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:39 am
40 + years later am tested for lead in my blood, lab tests are still no more than if I never worked around it.
So in fact this post shouldn't be a discussion on lead paint (or not), but as we started it:

Of course there is no lead in your blood anymore after this long time, as it's filtered by your liver and kidneys and as the whole 5-6 litres are renewed every 12-18 months. But as lead is a neurotoxin it damages the nervous system.

So don't mess around with it... and the other bottles with the skull and bones on it!
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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by JD136 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:51 pm

Chuck Lutz
What is so stupid about my statement. I made a statement about something that happened in real life.
I never said that it was the proper thing to do. That was the way this person lived and worked. Back in the day
not everyone knew of the hazards of things that are known today. And for your info I wear a respirator
when painting.
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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by Chuck Lutz » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:56 pm

JD...that is my point exactly...while some can wonder why they haven't died...yet....and some can claim "it didn't hurt ME!", the bottom line is we aren't hearing from all those who DID die from exposure to cancer-causing chemicals....ir who went through the windshield before seatbelts became the law.

Mesothelioma, cancer from asbestos, has killed off shipyard workers left and right...billions have been set aside for victims. Sure, the lawyers for Monsanto or Dow or whoever made that stuff show up with 90 year old shipyard workers who say "It ain't kilt ME!" but those exposed to cancer-causing chemicals are left with Clint Eastwood's famous phrase...

"Are ya feelin' lucky?"

Wear the respirator, don't take showers in MEK, do not inhale fumes from bottles with a skull and crossbones on it and the odds are....you will live longer than those who ignore the warnings.
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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by dpcd67 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:39 pm

OMG, some of you guys have no sense of humor whatsoever. Do we need to do this over and over?
I'm sure they do not even make lead paint any more, and why would anyone want it?
Yes, some guys with good genes got away with all kinds of toxic substance exposure, but as many or more, did not fare so well.
It was a joke.
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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by Frankieo » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:05 pm

Back to the RAL topic:

I'm trying to figure out the RAL as well and lately I've done some research as well. This becuase I want to paint my Willys MB '45 in a 2K paint to prevent scratches and I think the standard spraypaints are too chalky. So I have to provide a RAL number to order my custom paint.
The RAL6014 is the best match I think, but indeed is on the 'dark' side of the spectrum (which is for me less of a problem because I want to make it British). The problem with the other close matches from my simple color comparison/conversion research (RAL6003, RAL6006 and RAL7013) is that they are are little to light and a little to gray.

Maybe the next step in this process would be the mixing of two types of RAL's...? I'm really considering mixing 75% RAL6014 - 25% RAL7014

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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by Michael Mangold » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:04 pm

Hi straight question.

Is the MAT1 or MIX1 paint that is availible here in europe lead based, or how dangerous is that paint or ENAMEL paint in general in comparison to regular two component paints?

I do not get adequat informations from our dealers.

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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by dpcd67 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:24 am

I absolutely can't believe anyone in Europe is making lead based paint. It has been banned here since 1978, and you guys are supposed to be ahead of us in that kind of thing.
Now, if it really is lead based, how dangerous is it? Zero hazard as long as you don't eat it.
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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by emferli » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:25 am

Hello fellas,
I'm still completely "green" at WW2 jeeps, starting to restore 1945 GPW. First I'm going to paint combat rims and not sure what colour to use. Would like to come as close as possible to 1945... have read couple of discussions and understand that there is not only 1 shade.
I tried with RAL 6014 and now came up to this mixture, which I found published somewhere on social network:

RAL 7008 (75%) + RAL 9011 (25%) = OD319 USA

Did someone use this formula?
Thank you.

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Re: colour... again (MB, Army)

Post by irakli » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:20 am

If you want a factory looking car, it is time and money wise efficient to buy already mixed paint - MAT1 is available in Europe. It has good reviews on G. Otherwise be ready to paint Jeep twice, do not ask me how I know it :)
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