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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

Post by macaddict23 » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:22 pm

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

Post by Thunderbird712 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:57 pm

I wanted to add an observation I made after looking at the bond straps from my jeep. I haven't read any discussions WRT bond straps being painted besides the hood straps. The jeep I am restoring appears to have never been taken apart. When I looked at my bond straps to determine if I can restore them I found paint on the bond strap that attaches to the starter motor support, generator, and front engine plate. Paint was very apparent on the end that bolted up on the starter support and the end that bolted on the front engine plate. You can see what looks like paint on the strap itself as well.

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Looking at this picture it shows the bond strap attached prior to installation onto the frame.

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In this well known picture the generator and starter are covered. The area below the generator and between the starter and generator appear to be uncovered.

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The primary discussion on this thread is focused around the final touch up painting but this seems to fall into the "overspray" category during frame assembly. Seems this strap should be painted or "oversprayed" and not in its natural finish. Sorry if this is already common knowledge.
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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

Post by Thunderbird712 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:19 pm

Another observation, looking at the picture of them painting more closely I'm curious what is sticking up in front of the battery tray. Negative cable?

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In Farrell's Willys factory assembly line thread photo # 10 looks like it shows the negative battery cable attached going through the dryer.
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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

Post by Thunderbird712 » Tue May 02, 2017 8:10 pm

Here is an example of overspray on the steering column webbing from my jeep. I know its obvious that this was a possibility during the final touchup but I wanted to share picture evidence for this thread. The edge with paint is the side that was facing up the steering column towards the steering wheel. You can see where it ran down some.

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Nothing earth shattering when it comes to this topic but it shows that atleast on my jeep the spray gun fan went across the steering column area. Now I am not saying every jeep got paint here. Not trying to start that debate. I just wanted to show that it is a possibility. Yes I made sure this was the same color as the factory paint layer found on other areas of the jeep. The jeep only had two color layers. One of which was the factory paint.
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Re: Painted Parts and "Over-spray" On Factory MB

Post by Thunderbird712 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:00 am

Inline with my post above I am trying to detail any other bond straps that may have gotten painted for my 45MB. As shown above the generator-starter-front engine plate bond strap was present during painting as well as the battery negative cable. On all restorations I have seen the bond straps are not painted but these pictures seem to show strong evidence that they may have been hit with overspray. Here is what I am thinking about each bond strap for a Suppression II jeep.

Bond Strap 1&2 (Cowl to Hood): Over sprayed - There was a previous post regarding these but for completeness they look to be painted in this photo by Myron Davis, Life Magazine June 1945. The ends do not appear shinny as expected. Painted during the final overspray coating?

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Original Paint found on my bond straps
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Bond Strap 3 (cylinder head to dash): No overspray - The cable can be seen attached to the body when lowering the body onto the frame. This area is tucked under the crossover tube and would be hard to get paint without overspray showing on the carb horn and other firewall components.

Bond Strap 4 (hand brake cable, speedometer cable, heat indicator cable to dash): No overspray for same reason as Bond strap 3

Bond Strap 7 ( generator-starter-front engine plate): Over sprayed - As shown in previous post above. Tinned area on front engine plate may not be visible after assembly due to overspray.

Bond Strap 11 ( engine front plate to frame left): Over sprayed - As shown in the picture you can clearly see the bond strap attached to the motor. Tinned area on engine and frame may not be visible due to overspray.

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Bond Strap 15 ( rear engine support(transmission mount) to frame cross member): Not sure - I can not clearly see that area to determine if the bond strap is present. If present it would have overspray along with the tinning. If not present the tinned areas would have had to be masked off.

Bond Strap 16 (transfer case to body floor stud): My March 45MB no longer had the stud on the floor. I haven't seen a picture with this bond strap attached to the transfer case body. Most likely attached to body.

Along the same lines I am laying out all the stuff I need CAD plated. The two nuts for the head bond strap stud are listed in the 45 SNL as CAD plated. In the picture below you can clearly see the bottom nut present which makes sense. This would be needed to torque the head down. What doesn't look present is the top nut used to hold the bond strap down. Because of this I want to question if that nut should be OD as you always see. Rather it should show the CAD plated finish. Thoughts?

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