42 GPW #1871 Restoration

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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by 1943Willysgpw » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:42 am

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Im sure that part went on top of the pancake air filter, held on by a wing nut, (slat grille).
It is a carb horn. My pancake has one WITH a hole. This one is not and has never been drilled. It came on top of the carburetor.
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by Mark Jesic » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:00 am

I stand corrected, very similar though. :D

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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by lt.luke » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:18 am

Mark Jesic wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:00 am
I stand corrected, very similar though. :D
VEP GPWs used the same parts as Slat Grilles. except F marked. I'm with Duane that the part he's discussing is indeed the carb cap. There have been several like it appear over the past few years. Too many for it to be Bubba, and all with roughly the same quality/appearance on the washer/hole/punchout in the center. I can't imagine achieving the same quality plug weld by every bubba with every kind of welding skill and every kind of welding machine over 70 odd years.

Perhaps some of the LATE pancake cleaner equipped jeeps used a standardized production carb cap and that's where the confusion and conjecture comes in? My 12078 has a tall crossover and a decal oakes. I could go through many other incidences of early parts used with later parts during a phase out/phase in of a modified part. With Ford having 5 factories, it exaserbates this problem and makes it nearly impossible to nail it down to "change occurred at X SN."

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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by Mark Jesic » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:46 am

Some interesting points, thanks Luke. :)

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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by 1943Willysgpw » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:59 am

Mark Jesic wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:00 am
I stand corrected, very similar though. :D
No worries. The funny thing is, I almost tossed it to the side and used another. I am glad I media blasted it and noticed it was embossed and not filled in.
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by lt.luke » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:00 am

Just toss it in the back of that F150. I'm starting a load of scrap metal. I got you!

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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by Jon S » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:46 pm

Hi, I also have a Dallas built GPW dod 2-27-42. GPW 1533... Very interesting!
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by 1943Willysgpw » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:44 am

My question has always been this. If they delivered these on 2/27/42, when did they roll out of Old Henry's shop? Makes you wonder if they weren't built in January or Early Feb.
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by Jon S » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:18 pm

The Dallas plant went into production in mid February. I think I've read where there were only 54 built in Feb of '42. I can't account for the serial number spread between our 2 GPWs...
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by lt.luke » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:21 pm

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My question has always been this. If they delivered these on 2/27/42, when did they roll out of Old Henry's shop? Makes you wonder if they weren't built in January or Early Feb.
They received their date of delivery stamps as they rolled out of the line at the plant. Then they were tested on a 3 or 20? Mile test track. If they weren't broken, they were parked on line in the plant parking lot and recieved their USA numbers in the order they were parked, regardless of SN.

If they had to have QC repairs, they went back on the assembly line and got a later registration number.

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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by 1943Willysgpw » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:42 pm

Oh S... That must means mine must have had a defect. Thanks for that...... :o :o
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by Jon S » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:29 am

Here's what I'm thinking... In early February, the Dallas plant got a train load of GPW parts from Detroit. A few of the boxcars had serial numbered engine blocks in them on pallets. Maybe some or all were from the Wilson Foundry. Maybe they were in a number range from 1000 to 2000, so they had 1 thousand blocks to build their first thousand jeeps. In the other cars were all the other components.
They unloaded the train and got the line ready. Possibly the first few pallets of blocks they brought out from the engine block storage warehouse were in the higher range of serial numbers from those one thousand blocks they pulled out of the box cars. The forklift driver just grabbed some pallets of blocks. (not sure if they had forklifts back then). They didn't care if the GPWs were built in sequential order. They cranked up the line and started putting them together. That's how I think our GPW serial numbers got so far apart with so few GPWs built in the last 2 weeks of February '42. Let me know if you have another theory...
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by Chuck Lutz » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:17 pm

I'd go with that yarn, Jon....FILO/LIFO would account for the spread easily enough and your two jeeps could have rolled out one after the other. Of course if you guys knew the USA numbers that would be different as I believe they WERE sequential so no matter what motor/motor number was pulled there could be a spread between them for jeeps delivered on the same day and possibly one after the other on the assembly line (or close to one another).

The best source of info would of course be Tom as he may have more on the story of the first jeeps out of Dallas!
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by 1943Willysgpw » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:57 am

As a few of you might know, I have North America for a territory. So, today I am in Tucson. The PIMA air space museum is worth the visit. I just had to give it a plug. I will look and see if there is a thread of places to visit in each state. If not, maybe I will start one.
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1942 GPW 1871 DoD 2-27-42 Dallas Plant
1945 GPW 247890 DoD 1-26-45 Louisville Plant
1942 GTB 136166 DoD 9-18-42
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Re: 42 GPW #1871 Restoration

Post by m3bobby » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:24 pm

Tucson is my favourite town to visit in the states, spent 2 months at DM on Excercise Torpedo Focus working with the A10s.

Watching the off duty strippers working the bar at Cow Ponys, them were the days....
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