Jerry can holder

1941 - 1945, MB, GPW Technical questions and discussions, regarding anything related to the WWII jeep.
Ben Dover
Gee Addict
Posts: 41124
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Ben Dover » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:42 am

There are stamped original brackets found on G-503 Jeeps having numbers that match those listed in SNL's.
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

User avatar
Mark Tombleson
MZ Radio Operator
Posts: 9243
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:58 pm
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Mark Tombleson » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:26 am

So, mine was painted forest green! :P :P
MB-NAVY-MZ-1 352625 - 07/20/44 (DOD est.)
U.S.N. 133818
2nd place Restored Class 2008 Portland Convention
MVPA Hall of Fame - 2013

Ben Dover
Gee Addict
Posts: 41124
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Ben Dover » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:10 am

Mine was OD underneath and red over it. It only had one Civilian owner from 1946 until I bought it around 1971.
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

Chuck Lutz
Gee Addict
Posts: 23626
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:00 am
Location: Novato, CA

Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Chuck Lutz » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:03 pm

Hang on, Sloopy....

If we use Mario's quote from Tom W. that Budd made 2,890,000 which included 174,000 to Ford and 241,000 to Willys we would have to wonder who made the rest of the carriers these companies used. Given that both made vehicles besides the jeep that required carriers, that is even more confusing.

So...let's review this:
On the one hand, the 42B type marking system was implemented over time and AFAIK there is no documentation to confirm when and if Budd used that marking on their cans. However it would seem that once it was being used on a part (I mean that type marking) it would stay there until the next version of some FSN number was required. With that in mind, one might deduce that in the beginning, there was no number marking on the carrier, that at some point it was introduced, that it morphed into the "66675" number and finally went to the seven digit type marking.

I am therefore of the opinion that an early production vehicle from Ford/Willys might very well have had an un-marked carrier. Then again, perhaps Ford DID make the carriers in-house and they were in-marked and then outsourced some/all of them later from a third-party vendor who may or may not have been required to provide them directly to the government with that number on them and consequently those sent to Ford (or Willys) from that point onward WERE so marked.

However....several questions arise. First of all....there are no measurements on the carrier on this drawing!...except for the LENGTH of the straps. With the introduction of the carrier (bracket) in August 1942 and the date of the drawing January 11, 1943....there is obviously an earlier drawing that not only would give us the dimensions of the carrier but any required markings on it!

Secondly, there is nothing to confirm if Budd supplied Ford/Willys with carriers that did or did not have the "42B" marking.

Thirdly, I did not see anything that indicated WHEN Budd provided those carriers, early/mid/late WWII.

It would seem that the drawing isn't conclusive and the Budd data inconclusive either...they are bits of the puzzle, but do not indicate if Ford or Willys used the "42B" on jeeps (or other vehicles) during WWII or when? Unless I missed something...
Chuck Lutz

GPW 17963 4/24/42 Chester, PA. USA 20113473 (USA est./Tom W.)
GPW 108552 4/17/43 Louisville, KY. USA 20371278 (DOD est./Tom W.)
Bantam T3 4582 10/29/42 USA 0173499 (est.)

User avatar
Mark Tombleson
MZ Radio Operator
Posts: 9243
Joined: Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:58 pm
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Mark Tombleson » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:01 am

Operation and Tool Write Up from Willys-Overland show they manufactured the Gas Can Holder bracket... see this thread

http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f= ... 5&start=45
Mark Tombleson wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:25 am
Ben Dover wrote:I'll repeat.
The factory drawing for A-4133 and A-4123 would be the definitive answer if they are available.
I'm sure you are pumped up about this issue Ben, but I have seen both drawings and there is no revelation.


Joe Friday showed you what was stated on the drawing and the fact that WO made the bracket if it was not furnished.

There were early changes... going from 16 and 12ga. to 18 and 13ga. along with some dimension changes from 7-27-42 to 7-29-42.

No MFG. were listed that I could see and of interest was the option of the D end tip on the strap. That part of the drawing is so deteriorated... like note L you cannot see the date on note K either.

I found Joe Friday's document (Operation and Tool Write UP) on the fabrication of the part very interesting. I have a list of parts that may have been fabricated by Willys-Overland. A lot of them are small common items like A-2917 Steering Column Floor Ring Seal, while others are not like some of the sheet metal item unique to the radio jeeps.

It would not surprise me to see some kind of drawing by Ford on the gas can bracket. 640K brackets plus or minus with Ford and Willys-Overland alone, with thousands more on other vehicles and in the supply system. Ford may have subcontracted that item out, or, like WO, required to install the part furnished by the Gov't

I do not think Willys marked their own bracket... as they did not with anything else, but it appears other MFG, like
MB-NAVY-MZ-1 352625 - 07/20/44 (DOD est.)
U.S.N. 133818
2nd place Restored Class 2008 Portland Convention
MVPA Hall of Fame - 2013


Ben Dover
Gee Addict
Posts: 41124
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:37 pm
Location: Proving Ground

Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Ben Dover » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:11 am

Am sure we can assume Budd was not the only fabricator of the Gas Can Brackets due to the variety of markings that are evident. Just about every wheeled tactical WWII vehicle used by the different branches of service had these brackets. It can be safely assumed with spares that the number is over a million.
2011 MVPA PIONEER AWARD - MVPA #1064
HONOR GRAD-WHEELED VEHICLE MECHANIC SCHOOL 1960 - US ARMY ORDNANCE SCHOOL(MACHINIST) ABERDEEN PG 1962 - O-1 BIRD DOG CREWCHIEF - 300,000+TROUBLE FREE M-38A1 MILES
LIFE MEMBER AM LEGION-40/8-DAV
7 MIL SPEC MAINTAINED MV'S
COL. BRUNO BROOKS (ARMY MOTORS) IS MY HERO

User avatar
Farrell Fox
G-Lieutenant General
G-Lieutenant General
Posts: 6051
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:17 pm

Re: Jerry can holder

Post by Farrell Fox » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:04 am

It would be nice to visit this copy and see if the dates in the right column can be recovered.

Image
4th Tank Battalion, 4th Marine Division
M1A1 Main Battle Tank Mechanic
M88 Armored Vehicle Recovery Operator
AVLB Operator

Post Reply

Return to “MB GPW Technical Knowledge Base”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Graham lamb, Jos, lowbonnet, Mark Tombleson and 12 guests