MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
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MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Hi all, started stripping the paint off of my MBT and was wondering what to do with the data plate. Leave it in place or remove it to strip behind it. So far found no corrosion anywhere, so I'm assuming all is well under the plate. Hate to de rivet it if there is no need. Any thoughts are much appreciated.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Defiantly leave it where it is. Just clean around it and mask it off when you respray.
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Chris.
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Chris.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Three of those rivets don't look original anyway. Remove it, and get some new ones to reattach. I think dataplates4u out of Belgium has the proper rivet style.
If it had been in-dorked with, I'd be a "leave it" proponent.
If it had been in-dorked with, I'd be a "leave it" proponent.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Wrong Rivets, remove , clean it up and reinstall. Or get DeRuyter to do you up a repro, his are excellent.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Appreciate the advice. However, does anyone have a photo of what the original rivets look like installed. The reason I am questioning this is that the trailer has had 3 paint jobs in its time. The original factory finish, another coat of olive drab during the war (the USA number was in blue on the original paint, then in white on top of the second paint) and finally a coat of white paint post war. The data plate shows signs of over spray from the second coat of olive drab paint. Looking at this evidence I do not think the plate has ever been removed. The attached photo is a little better and was taken before any paint removal.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Can you post a pic from inside the trailer? Normally the rivet head would be toward the front.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
I stopped looking at my collection of mounted, original MBT data plates at about a dozen or so when I noticed that the rivets on them were EXACTLY like the ones on the data plate above....so they ARE original.
If you restore the MBT to perfectly then that data plate is going to bug you down the line. So, you can restore it before you do the trailer and mask it off for the sandblasting of the trailer or...remove it to restore it and remount it after restoring the trailer AND the data plate or...my suggestion....restore the trailer and send a pic of the data plate to Robert de Ruyter and get a PERFECT copy of the original. Then keep the original to go with the trailer.
Same problem for guys restoring jeeps....exactly the same problem...some jeep guys have TWO glove box doors; an original on they scrounged up and restored with Robert's repop data plates mounted on it on their restored jeeps and the original glove box door with nothing done to it or the data plates whatsoever for display purposes.
PS...rivet head is INSIDE the tub.
If you restore the MBT to perfectly then that data plate is going to bug you down the line. So, you can restore it before you do the trailer and mask it off for the sandblasting of the trailer or...remove it to restore it and remount it after restoring the trailer AND the data plate or...my suggestion....restore the trailer and send a pic of the data plate to Robert de Ruyter and get a PERFECT copy of the original. Then keep the original to go with the trailer.
Same problem for guys restoring jeeps....exactly the same problem...some jeep guys have TWO glove box doors; an original on they scrounged up and restored with Robert's repop data plates mounted on it on their restored jeeps and the original glove box door with nothing done to it or the data plates whatsoever for display purposes.
PS...rivet head is INSIDE the tub.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
And guess what, DeRuyter says so too, 9/64" X 3/16" Oval Head Steel. The Head goes inside.
Who would have thunk?
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Thanks everyone, especially Chuck. I will look at Robert de Ruyter as an option.
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
Robert made my MBT replacement data plate. He does supply the rivets. Looks fantastic:
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Re: MBT Data Plate Remove or Leave
That does look very nice. I sent him an email.
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