37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS AND 3 SETS GOODYEAR NDCC'S

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37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS AND 3 SETS GOODYEAR NDCC'S

Post by Ben Dover » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:51 pm

I built this M-38A1 from the frame up with correct NOS parts obtained from DOD surplus, Gov't Surplus dealers, Jeep wholesale warehouses, local Jeep Dealer, contacts in the right places and many friends. I was not aware of 2430 OD back then but always noted the pleasant to look at original factory OD finish on new M-38 and M-38A1 Jeeps. The mystery of that nice color unfolded right here on G-503 8 or 9 years ago during a discussion about M-38 wheels. Joe Friday posted some Willys information about the paint specification for M-38 wheels being 2430 SG OD.
Further discussion led to the fact that Jeep changed to 24087 during M-715 production in 1967. (Thank you Joe Friday)
There were articles about post war Jeep paint evolution in ediitions of Military Vehicles or Army Motors but I failed to connect the dots. I wish that 2430 was available in 1975 when I chose to use 24087 on the M-38A1 I built. In addition to its' first coat of GI Issue 24087 Rust Inhibiting SG OD Enamel, it received freshening up coats of 24087 paint from the same batch of GI Issue 1963 dated Atlas brand 24087 in 1984, 1997, and this past week, all due to the natural oxidation that takes place.
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Ben Dover » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:57 pm

37 years and still pretty.
This particular paint will continue to change shade and color for a few weeks as it cures. The paint is 6 days old. Only the outside was painted this time.
There is a spare set of fresly painted wheels and a new set of either Cooper or Goodyear NDCC's will be installed after it goes into winter storage.
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Barnii » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:39 pm

Ben,
Wow! That looks great! Very good work! :D
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by m.riley » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:04 am

Another beautiful Jeep. This is great. It's a great feeling to save Jeep before scrapping. :D
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Jim M » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:40 am

Looks great Joel.
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:25 am

m.riley wrote:Another beautiful Jeep. This is great. It's a great feeling to save Jeep before scrapping. :D
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:33 am

Altho the OEM paint from Willys was 2430 SG OD, most wuold probably have a bit of difficulty getting used to it. By the mid 60's most of the M-38A1 Jeeps had been repainted and the standard OD was 24087. Many National Guard Jeeps had little use compared to active army, some were stored indoors year round. It was not unusual in the Maine National Guard to find an M38A1 with only 2 or 3 thousand miles during the late 60's. The Maine Guard had a good maintenance program, most Jeeps and trucks made a trip to the State Shop for repaint after 7 or 8 years.
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by m.riley » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:45 am

I have renovated most of the original parts. At that time the problem was to find new, original parts. Today I know that I original new parts for Jeep buy in Holland. Buying parts in the USA, I too did not work. Expensive shipping, customs fees and value added tax. I was lucky that my Jeep was almost complete even in very poor condition and immobile. In Europe, the U.S. technology M35, M38, M38A1, M170, M37, M43, M151 and M715 from surplus Greek Army.

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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:55 am

No one noticed the windshield wiper shut-off valve installed upside down?
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by HMVYoungster » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:36 am

Hey !the windshield wiper shut-off valve installed upside down!
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:06 am

Really? :oops: I think I'm gonna need instructions.
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by podski » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:57 am

Nice jeep Ben!
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Ben Dover » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:05 am

Thank you.
I owe it all to my US Army instructors from a little over 50 years ago and WWII veteran mentors who fought and maintained their trucks and weapons in fighting condition.
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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by iceman7273 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:07 am

Looks great Joel....

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Re: 37 YEARS AND 3 FACELIFTS

Post by Ben Dover » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:27 pm

After one month the paint has finally cured to the familiar 24087 shade of the 50's
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