How many jeeps, survived after the World War II ?
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Re: How many jeeps, survived after the World War II ?
I have seen some time ago an ad for a M201, restaured nut and bolts as ....a m201!
And it was a thousand times more desirable than a mb201pw!
I even sent a message to the seller to tell him this was rare enough for me to get my hat off!
And it was a thousand times more desirable than a mb201pw!
I even sent a message to the seller to tell him this was rare enough for me to get my hat off!
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Re: How many jeeps, survived after the World War II ?
My (and many others) opinion ; a restored / original M201 in the French army colors will soon be worth much more then a MB/GPW.
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3.6, ahem....that will never happen as long as English, Belgian, Swedish, Norwegian, Italian and French collectors and other WWII aficionados hold the whole WWII thing in the high regard that they do. Now, will a perfectly restored M201 actually SELL for more than a stripped/trashed-out GPW/MB? Sure, some just want to drive a "jeep", some will slap stars on that M201 and be happy with it and some will collect an M201 after they have found an MB and/or GPW and perhaps a Bantam/MB/GP just to round out the collection.
Many MB/GPWs are sent to Europe every year in anything from a restored to a rust-bucket condition and the cost of doing that is probably around $2,000 or more from what I hear. In addition, from the posts on the gee from our European jeep-brothers, one of the FIRST things a potential buyer checks out is if a potential purchase is in fact a WWII GPW/MB or if it is a CJ or M201....I think for the most part, the M201 is, in Europe, purchased due to the relative scarcity of "real" GPW/MBs and the price they have been commanding. While WWII jeeps in Europe have been well-used and the M201s are often relatively much LESS used and abused and still have parts available at a much CHEAPER price, that can often influence what a purchaser may in fact end up buying.
They may be nice once restored, but the market for a restored M201 isn't going to match either the number of interested parties or command the price of a GPW/MB in the same condition in my lifetime.
Many MB/GPWs are sent to Europe every year in anything from a restored to a rust-bucket condition and the cost of doing that is probably around $2,000 or more from what I hear. In addition, from the posts on the gee from our European jeep-brothers, one of the FIRST things a potential buyer checks out is if a potential purchase is in fact a WWII GPW/MB or if it is a CJ or M201....I think for the most part, the M201 is, in Europe, purchased due to the relative scarcity of "real" GPW/MBs and the price they have been commanding. While WWII jeeps in Europe have been well-used and the M201s are often relatively much LESS used and abused and still have parts available at a much CHEAPER price, that can often influence what a purchaser may in fact end up buying.
They may be nice once restored, but the market for a restored M201 isn't going to match either the number of interested parties or command the price of a GPW/MB in the same condition in my lifetime.
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Chuck, you are absolutely spot on. As Hotchkiss prices go up by 500, £ or $, then an MB or GPW will go up 1000. Regarding surviving WW2 jeeps, someone told me the survival rate was 10%, about 65000 worldwide. Sounds about right to me. I wonder how many have yet to be found. An after thought, there are several jeep businesses in the U.K. and they all seem to be thriving.
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That is your opinion as a MB/GPW lover. But the reality is different !.
Try to find a good M201 for 17.000 euro in France, Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, .. (the countries were all the WWII Crimp One Off happend !)
That is more then $20.000 ! -> you will not find ! Prices of M201 are the same as MB's, and going up.
And those M201 also have some history of therir own. Not like most of the MB's in USA who don't have a war scene history.
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
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That is maybe right, but the reality is that there were only 28.000 M201's...Mark Jesic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:19 amChuck, you are absolutely spot on. As Hotchkiss prices go up by 500, £ or $, then an MB or GPW will go up 1000. Regarding surviving WW2 jeeps, someone told me the survival rate was 10%, about 65000 worldwide. Sounds about right to me. I wonder how many have yet to be found. An after thought, there are several jeep businesses in the U.K. and they all seem to be thriving.
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Only 28000 built as M201s, but a lot more built with WOF parts with sometimes not more than US frame or axles.
And many, many, many M201s survived in France compared to us Jeeps. They were built slightly better, and more important served in times of relative peace, with comfortable maintenance and spare parts supply.
But I agree with you, "honest to themselves" m201s are a rare sight, and that's a pain.
I am co-admin of a big jeep FB page in France, and we try to encourage people to put m201s back tontheir original appearences, with more and more success.
And many, many, many M201s survived in France compared to us Jeeps. They were built slightly better, and more important served in times of relative peace, with comfortable maintenance and spare parts supply.
But I agree with you, "honest to themselves" m201s are a rare sight, and that's a pain.
I am co-admin of a big jeep FB page in France, and we try to encourage people to put m201s back tontheir original appearences, with more and more success.
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There are a lot of guys over here, who Americanise M201s, and try to pass them off as MBs, that is what is making them scarce. A lot of people have been caught out by this, thinking they have a genuine ww2 jeep.
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I have combats on as I like the look, new ish canvas all round, oil pressure gauge is in PSI and capillary fed. However I have all the original parts including PVC roof etc. It was rebuilt at La Maulternee in 1971. There are a few F marked parts on it, I surmise all else is original to 1959.
I understand about originality, but I bought this fantastic machine to have fun which it excels in.
Agreed recognised value of £14,000, worth every penny IMO
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Hmm...
Try selling one in the USA for $17,000 and see how much interest you get in it...or for that matter, in the UK among other places if there is a G503 sitting next to it for $20,000.
By the way, which war scene did the M201s participate in? Algeria or Vietnam?
Try selling one in the USA for $17,000 and see how much interest you get in it...or for that matter, in the UK among other places if there is a G503 sitting next to it for $20,000.
By the way, which war scene did the M201s participate in? Algeria or Vietnam?
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Well, they sell for that price over here !Chuck Lutz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:15 pm...Try selling one in the USA for $17,000 and see how much interest you get in it...
But that is the same trying to sell a typical american classic here in Eu. They will not sell for the money they go in US. (look for example at the musscle car prices...) My modest opinion.
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Yes, Guerre d'Algerie.Chuck Lutz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:15 pm...By the way, which war scene did the M201s participate in? ...
What about the MB's or GPW's in the US ?
Most of them don't have a war history, they were never where it all happend...
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Thats why ww2 jeeps sell for more over here in Europe, they have seen action, and have history behind them. They will always command more money than an M201, but i do agree M201s were better made.
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My GPW 3606 was imported recently from the US to Europe, she has probably seen no theater of operations, but still, she was already somewhere 2 years and 3 months before D-Day, and she's probably seen hundreds of thousands of young guys training to get there (or here, as I am in France).
I was very attached to the European "pedigree" of my last two Jeeps, but now I think that having original body, dataplates, frame, accessories, hood numbers, side stars, nickname, paint etc is not too bad for a trade with a "possible" combat history.
And who knows....she's been gov. rebuilt in late 44, maybe she did actually come back from somewhere
I was very attached to the European "pedigree" of my last two Jeeps, but now I think that having original body, dataplates, frame, accessories, hood numbers, side stars, nickname, paint etc is not too bad for a trade with a "possible" combat history.
And who knows....she's been gov. rebuilt in late 44, maybe she did actually come back from somewhere
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